BMW ownership does it make you worry ?

After riding socialist 2strokes (Mobra50, CZ175, MZ250) in my early days, I have only had rice burners (and I say it endearingly) XT600, GSXR1100, Blade900, and the amazing R1. Oh, and when I felt the need to batter and bruise my body like I hated it I was taking an LC4 (KTM600) off roading and enduroing (I know, I know but I just like making verbs, English being so permissive that way).
While I was having my R1/LC4 tandem if anyone would have told me that soon I'll be riding a Bavarian boxer and enjoy it I would have laughed loudly in their face and called them names.
In autumn 2007 a friend of mine who did a longer stint through Europe on a GSXR750 and needed massive attention from a kiropractor on return, asked me to join him in visiting a BMW dealership where he had booked a test ride *on a GS12. I accepted his invitation split between what I thought will be a slow boring ride along his test tractor and the fun of whizzing past him just to make a point.
It turned out that the BMW dealer was an old acquaintance of mine from my moto racing days and he absolutely insisted that I too take a GS for a spin. I tried to politely decline by hinting at my gleaming R1 in the parking lot but he would have none of it, so I mounted a GS feeling rather silly in that new to me upward position, like a doggie waiting for a biscuit.
To cut a long story short, our test ride ended about 4 hours later (instead of the 90 minutes agreed) and upon return, that very afternoon before leaving the dealership I had already made a first payment for a GS.
Since then me and my trusted "Beem of joy" have been together for almost 50,000 Km now, out of which 30,000 done in 2008 while on a 4 moths trip all around Europe, from Sicilly to Lapland.
I might have been just lucky, but in 5 years and almost 35K miles I had "0" (zero, zilch, nada) problems with my bike :JB . Gas, regular oil changes, tires, service inspections and maintenance rigorously observed and that was all I ever had to do. The rest were just thousand after thousand miles of joyful riding.
Accessories? Well, that's a completely different topic. Kitted as it comes out of the factory the GS is hardly a bike apt at touring, and to such an extent is this aspect obvious that I even wonder if BMW don't have shares or some secret deal with Touratech and Wunderlich, the 2 main suppliers of after market bits for our beloved G(elände)S(trasse)s. So if proper touring, as this bike otherwise fuly deserves, is on your agenda be prepared to shell out a few good quid to improve it's all weather (especially wet) ridebility.
In conclusion my advice, if you're reasonably satisfied with the bike you currently ride, is to NOT test ride a GS. You'll just end up having one.
Oh, and just one word to those funny, funny :comfort people bringing Triumph into a conversation about reliability and good engeneering / build quality. Read my lips: whhhooooooaaahhhhhahhhhahahahahahaha!!!

Excellent post, I enjoyed that.:thumb:D
 
:agree, Check the key antenna and Fuel Pump Controller part numbers, if they are the ones to avoid get them changed, (see previous threads regarding these) mine were done under warranty at my insistance even though they had not caused any fault. Although they should have been replaced during a scheduled service, but somehow mine got missed. Keep the pressure washer away from bearings and seals. I can understand that the fuel strip issue is annoying, there are other more reliable methods of calculating roughly how much fuel you have left, such as using the trip meter. Final drive issue appears to be a case of luck, chance and over exposure to a few problems which occasionally could have been serious are not all that regular. At least the front wheel is unlikely to fall off as it has on some F650's recently, that's gotta be something worth worrying about.
 
After riding socialist 2strokes (Mobra50, CZ175, MZ250) in my early days, I have only had rice burners (and I say it endearingly) XT600, GSXR1100, Blade900, and the amazing R1. Oh, and when I felt the need to batter and bruise my body like I hated it I was taking an LC4 (KTM600) off roading and enduroing (I know, I know but I just like making verbs, English being so permissive that way).
While I was having my R1/LC4 tandem if anyone would have told me that soon I'll be riding a Bavarian boxer and enjoy it I would have laughed loudly in their face and called them names.
In autumn 2007 a friend of mine who did a longer stint through Europe on a GSXR750 and needed massive attention from a kiropractor on return, asked me to join him in visiting a BMW dealership where he had booked a test ride *on a GS12. I accepted his invitation split between what I thought will be a slow boring ride along his test tractor and the fun of whizzing past him just to make a point.
It turned out that the BMW dealer was an old acquaintance of mine from my moto racing days and he absolutely insisted that I too take a GS for a spin. I tried to politely decline by hinting at my gleaming R1 in the parking lot but he would have none of it, so I mounted a GS feeling rather silly in that new to me upward position, like a doggie waiting for a biscuit.
To cut a long story short, our test ride ended about 4 hours later (instead of the 90 minutes agreed) and upon return, that very afternoon before leaving the dealership I had already made a first payment for a GS.
Since then me and my trusted "Beem of joy" have been together for almost 50,000 Km now, out of which 30,000 done in 2008 while on a 4 moths trip all around Europe, from Sicilly to Lapland.
I might have been just lucky, but in 5 years and almost 35K miles I had "0" (zero, zilch, nada) problems with my bike :JB . Gas, regular oil changes, tires, service inspections and maintenance rigorously observed and that was all I ever had to do. The rest were just thousand after thousand miles of joyful riding.
Accessories? Well, that's a completely different topic. Kitted as it comes out of the factory the GS is hardly a bike apt at touring, and to such an extent is this aspect obvious that I even wonder if BMW don't have shares or some secret deal with Touratech and Wunderlich, the 2 main suppliers of after market bits for our beloved G(elände)S(trasse)s. So if proper touring, as this bike otherwise fuly deserves, is on your agenda be prepared to shell out a few good quid to improve it's all weather (especially wet) ridebility.
In conclusion my advice, if you're reasonably satisfied with the bike you currently ride, is to NOT test ride a GS. You'll just end up having one.
Oh, and just one word to those funny, funny :comfort people bringing Triumph into a conversation about reliability and good engeneering / build quality. Read my lips: whhhooooooaaahhhhhahhhhahahahahahaha!!!

Damn good post considering you only just got into double figures post-wise!!

Personally I formulated an idea that I wanted a GS long before I ever rode one. In fact I agreed to buy my GS before I even rode it! Not sure what that says about me - perhaps that I am twat as I had been reading this forum for a good 10 months before I took ownership.

Not wanting to tempt fate, I have never put my name to the 'post if you NEVER had a FD issue/fuel sensor/fuel pump etc and indeed I have not. Had a bit of clutch slip during first speedy ride a week or two back but think it might be hand guard issue(fixed).

My big disappointment was having to replace the rear light bulb within the first 15 months of ownership - haven't these guys heard of quality control?

Previous VTR suffered from it's own peculiar weakness' - munched it's cam chain tensioner on 2 occassions, both fixed my me (second time in Belgium returning from Monaco), the reg/rectifier that apparently always melts/fubars the battery was treated to a cpu fan wired to the rear light and I had no problem in 9 years of ownership.
Bike before that was a Thundercat and I was aware enough to realise that if I didn't clean the calipers, they were likely to seize....I did, they didn't!

I think it's important to realise that nothing will have a zero rate of failure and given the large number of units sold, it is expected that there will be a few problems - thats life!
Perhaps also to be considered is the profile of the average GSer, perhaps bought because it was perceived as the best go-anywhere/image/more appropriate for the mature rider purchase etc. This demographic may have raised expectations and be less inclined to get their fingers oily with a bit of regular maintenance - please don't flame me for that just a personal perception.

What does baffle me is the fact that some on here have had multiple fuel pump/sensor or FD problems. By the law of averages, they are either very unlucky/broke a mirror or are actually doing something to contribute to the failings themselves.....:nenau

I wouldn't sit around being worried, do what you can as far as maintence/pre-flight check etc, then enjoy the ride:thumb
 
Well after nearly two years of trying to convince myself that I loved my GS and couldn't, I finally said goodbye to it and glad to see it gone, and yes it did make me worry. It's not a bike I would have ever considered taking abroad due to potential reliability issues, fault and failures. My reasons for saying goodbye are:

-Tank surround panels rattled when at motorway speed (not what I would expect from a premium bike) and fairly annoying, spoilt the riding experience.
-Fuel gauge always inaccurate (whilst it's just as good to use the trip meter, it's frustrating to think that BMW deem this to be okay, again, not what I would expect from a premium bike).
-Vario luggage, very heavy without anything in, when expanded, panniers make bike very wide and space still limited compared to the Givi equivalent.
-Unable to filter properly, hangrips same height as car wing mirrors. Bikes mirrors same height as transit van or similar vehicle wing mirrors.
-Clunky gearbox, (I know it was dry, but just too much noise)
-Poor handling/snatching at low speed and revs even with accelerator fitted.
-Forums full of doom and gloom about aerial rings, FPC, final drive failures, bulbs blowing from being washed, stuck brake switches.
-The potential cost of rectifyng any faults that occur
-Difficult to clean thoroughly, too many nooks and crannies.
-Bike just had to look at salt and the callipers and bolt heads started to rot.
-Bubbling underneath powder coating, spoiling the finish.
-Everywhere I look I see a cable tie....I suppose it's better that bailer twine

The things I did like were:
-Road presence
-Riding position
-Engine braking (braking type corrected, whoops)
-Engine torque.
-engine purred nicely on motorway when tank panel rattle was ignored.

That was it, I'd had enough and just couldn't convince myself anymore that this was the bike for me and suitabe for my needs. The pro's couldn't outweigh the cons. I'm glad I've owned one as it had been an experience, but not one I'm likely to repeat. For me it's Jap bikes all the way from now on. I've alway had them in the past and had few problems all of which were cheap easy fixes.

Now is the best time of year to sell and achieve a premium price for it. There's still lots of people wanting them. With the market being flooded with other adventure style bikes such as the Honda Crosstourer and Triumph Explorer, I wasn't sure how long BMW would retain the top of the adventure tree. if they start to flounder, 2nd hand prices will follow.

Whilst many GS owners think their bike is the best thing since the invention of the wheel, it's just not my cup of tea. I've had better. I'm disappointed that the bike didn't live up to my expectations. Just being honest.
 
Well after nearly two years of trying to convince myself that I loved my GS and couldn't, I finally said goodbye to it and glad to see it gone, and yes it did make me worry. It's not a bike I would have ever considered taking abroad due to potential reliability issues, fault and failures. My reasons for saying goodbye are:

-Tank surround panels rattled when at motorway speed (not what I would expect from a premium bike) and fairly annoying, spoilt the riding experience.
-Fuel gauge always inaccurate (whilst it's just as good to use the trip meter, it's frustrating to think that BMW deem this to be okay, again, not what I would expect from a premium bike).
-Vario luggage, very heavy without anything in, when expanded, panniers make bike very wide and space still limited compared to the Givi equivalent.
-Unable to filter properly, hangrips same height as car wing mirrors. Bikes mirrors same height as transit van or similar vehicle wing mirrors.
-Clunky gearbox, (I know it was dry, but just too much noise)
-Poor handling/snatching at low speed and revs even with accelerator fitted.
-Forums full of doom and gloom about aerial rings, FPC, final drive failures, bulbs blowing from being washed, stuck brake switches.
-The potential cost of rectifyng any faults that occur
-Difficult to clean thoroughly, too many nooks and crannies.
-Bike just had to look at salt and the callipers and bolt heads started to rot.
-Bubbling underneath powder coating, spoiling the finish.
-Everywhere I look I see a cable tie....I suppose it's better that bailer twine

The things I did like were:
-Road presence
-Riding position
-Engine breaking
-Engine torque.
-engine purred nicely on motorway when tank panel rattle was ignored.

That was it, I'd had enough and just couldn't convince myself anymore that this was the bike for me and suitabe for my needs. The pro's couldn't outweigh the cons. I'm glad I've owned one as it had been an experience, but not one I'm likely to repeat. For me it's Jap bikes all the way from now on. I've alway had them in the past and had few problems all of which were cheap easy fixes.

Now is the best time of year to sell and achieve a premium price for it. There's still lots of people wanting them. With the market being flooded with other adventure style bikes such as the Honda Crosstourer and Triumph Explorer, I wasn't sure how long BMW would retain the top of the adventure tree. if they start to flounder, 2nd hand prices will follow.

Whilst many GS owners think their bike is the best thing since the invention of the wheel, it's just not my cup of tea. I've had better. I'm disappointed that the bike didn't live up to my expectations. Just being honest.

Nicely summed up and well reasoned:thumb

However like many previous Jap bike owners. the BMW marketing was a one bike sale only

All I can say is, you bought the wrong GS perhaps.....................however you may never have even looked at a 1150GS or 1100GS - which in essence are very good, although not as powerful as a 12GS

What have you bought instead?
 
Nicely summed up and well reasoned:thumb

...or looking at it another way:

unable to get to grips with riding it properly, or fix minor issues and paranoid about faults that never actually occurred (never occurred to me either).

i can't really comment on how hard they are to clean as i don't bother (no corrosion), but there are plenty of shiny ones about, so it can't be that hard.
the mirrors are at van mirror height though. an advantage except when filtering past vans.
 
...or looking at it another way:

unable to get to grips with riding it properly, or fix minor issues and paranoid about faults that never actually occurred (never occurred to me either).

i can't really comment on how hard they are to clean as i don't bother (no corrosion), but there are plenty of shiny ones about, so it can't be that hard.
the mirrors are at van mirror height though. an advantage except when filtering past vans.

As JB said nicely summed up and well reasoned:thumb

I suppose if you can't even be bothered to fix a rattly side panel, you are probably best away from it:augie
 
I've not read this thread before now, but this is the exact thought that came into my head when I saw the title.
Mark

Eh why did you think that? I was at the time a new owner and it was a legit question. When you come into a new motorcycle class and then read virtually nothing but reports of broken FD'd and duff ABS systems costing mega bucks to replace or repare I simple asked the question whether owning a GS makes you worry about possible faults. I came from a history of jap sport bikes and to be honest the are fast and absolutely reliable.
Am absolutely loving the GS though but I read about another bust FD yesterday on an almost new bike??? Thats a worry what the F is going at BMW?
 
Well after nearly two years of trying to convince myself that I loved my GS and couldn't, I finally said goodbye to it and glad to see it gone, and yes it did make me worry. It's not a bike I would have ever considered taking abroad due to potential reliability issues, fault and failures. My reasons for saying goodbye are:

-Tank surround panels rattled when at motorway speed (not what I would expect from a premium bike) and fairly annoying, spoilt the riding experience.
-Fuel gauge always inaccurate (whilst it's just as good to use the trip meter, it's frustrating to think that BMW deem this to be okay, again, not what I would expect from a premium bike).
-Vario luggage, very heavy without anything in, when expanded, panniers make bike very wide and space still limited compared to the Givi equivalent.
-Unable to filter properly, hangrips same height as car wing mirrors. Bikes mirrors same height as transit van or similar vehicle wing mirrors.
-Clunky gearbox, (I know it was dry, but just too much noise)
-Poor handling/snatching at low speed and revs even with accelerator fitted.
-Forums full of doom and gloom about aerial rings, FPC, final drive failures, bulbs blowing from being washed, stuck brake switches.
-The potential cost of rectifyng any faults that occur
-Difficult to clean thoroughly, too many nooks and crannies.
-Bike just had to look at salt and the callipers and bolt heads started to rot.
-Bubbling underneath powder coating, spoiling the finish.
-Everywhere I look I see a cable tie....I suppose it's better that bailer twine

The things I did like were:
-Road presence
-Riding position
-Engine braking (braking type corrected, whoops)
-Engine torque.
-engine purred nicely on motorway when tank panel rattle was ignored.

That was it, I'd had enough and just couldn't convince myself anymore that this was the bike for me and suitabe for my needs. The pro's couldn't outweigh the cons. I'm glad I've owned one as it had been an experience, but not one I'm likely to repeat. For me it's Jap bikes all the way from now on. I've alway had them in the past and had few problems all of which were cheap easy fixes.

Now is the best time of year to sell and achieve a premium price for it. There's still lots of people wanting them. With the market being flooded with other adventure style bikes such as the Honda Crosstourer and Triumph Explorer, I wasn't sure how long BMW would retain the top of the adventure tree. if they start to flounder, 2nd hand prices will follow.

Whilst many GS owners think their bike is the best thing since the invention of the wheel, it's just not my cup of tea. I've had better. I'm disappointed that the bike didn't live up to my expectations. Just being honest.

Shut the door on your way out.:rob
 
Didn't worry at all, until I joined this forum.
Now having therapy 3 times a week, can't sleep. Scared to ride the bike in case something goes wrong.
 
It's not a bike I would have ever considered taking abroad due to potential reliability issues, fault and failures. ...... Just being honest.

What, what, whaaaat!!!? :eek

I've read a lot of silly things on the GS but this IS certainly one for the rostrum... GSs are constantly and in larger number than ANY OTHER motorcycle taken AROUND THE WORLD despite it's many faults and failures, and you come up with THAT!? :eek:

But then again, as someone else here noted, if you couldn't be bothered to fix a rattly side panel, it's no surprise you would say that...

You're better off without such an unreliable machine mate, and the machine itself must be off its too high to clear vans mirrors in joy over this separation...
 
Just got back off a trip, my GS made it back (like last time) and with a few small faults (like last time), bought at 6k and now with 19k on the clock it has had 6 minor faults (however the bill for all of them would have been around £1200 if some were not covered by warranty)

OK the FD is still going and the FPC is yet to fail, but we all know they will fail at some point and almost certainly before 50k.

On the trip was my mates 7 year old 50k Yamaha TDM, owned from new and self serviced since the warranty expired 5 years ago, this had a coil pack under warranty and since then nothing, he is also off for another two weeks later this year and does not think twice about taking his high mileage old Yamaha. His other Jap bike also has about 50k on it and to date has just needed a set of fork seals.

The difference is BMW fans will forgive almost anything, most Jap bike owners are used to zero failures on previous bikes over many thousands of miles. My last bike had some fauts resolved under warranty in the first year and was then faultless for another 10k, and most my other Jap bikes needed nothing (about 100k on a variety of new and used bikes with no faults whatsoever)

You could point to my faults and say that could happen to any other bike and I agree, one or two of them might, but so many faults in such a short space of time would be almost unheard of, whereas here it is the norm.

Multiple major failures such as guys having two or more FD's fail in under 50k is unique to BMW, other bikes just do not do this, major failures on Jap bikes are extremely rare.

Much as I still prefer the GS over any of the competition to ride (better handling and more fun) and for the combination of comfort, equipment, ergonomics (except stupid indicator switches) luggage capacity I am seriously considering the inferior Tenere just because it is highly unlikely to have regular niggles and almost certainly won't blow its final drive before 50k, which is something my GS almost certainly would do if I kept it.

If money was no object I would just buy a new GS and change it every 2 years / 10k, but even that is risky with the latest bikes still blowing the odd FD before the bike has done 5k, sure the warranty will cover it, but bang goes your holiday if your en-route to one of these wonderful foreign trips.

I am likely to buy an "inferior" bike just so I do not have to worry about reliability and keep on paying for extended warranties and shelling out for the excess on repairs, this year I have paid £300 for warranty and still spent £200 on excess / non warranty items, so £500 in under 6,000 miles, add in the last service and I am at £750 so far this year - I could run a Tenere for 5 years for that money and still have change.
 
its only the unhappy owners who shout the loudest , and their numbers are far outweighed by the multitude of happy owners quietly racking up and enjoying the miles on their bikes :thumb

its a numbers game if all the other manufacturers had as many of their GS relevant models out there as BMW then the list of faults would most likely be quite similar ;)
 
Damn good post considering you only just got into double figures post-wise!!

Personally I formulated an idea that I wanted a GS long before I ever rode one. In fact I agreed to buy my GS before I even rode it! Not sure what that says about me - perhaps that I am twat as I had been reading this forum for a good 10 months before I took ownership.

Not wanting to tempt fate, I have never put my name to the 'post if you NEVER had a FD issue/fuel sensor/fuel pump etc and indeed I have not. Had a bit of clutch slip during first speedy ride a week or two back but think it might be hand guard issue(fixed).

My big disappointment was having to replace the rear light bulb within the first 15 months of ownership - haven't these guys heard of quality control?

Previous VTR suffered from it's own peculiar weakness' - munched it's cam chain tensioner on 2 occassions, both fixed my me (second time in Belgium returning from Monaco), the reg/rectifier that apparently always melts/fubars the battery was treated to a cpu fan wired to the rear light and I had no problem in 9 years of ownership.
Bike before that was a Thundercat and I was aware enough to realise that if I didn't clean the calipers, they were likely to seize....I did, they didn't!

I think it's important to realise that nothing will have a zero rate of failure and given the large number of units sold, it is expected that there will be a few problems - thats life!
Perhaps also to be considered is the profile of the average GSer, perhaps bought because it was perceived as the best go-anywhere/image/more appropriate for the mature rider purchase etc. This demographic may have raised expectations and be less inclined to get their fingers oily with a bit of regular maintenance - please don't flame me for that just a personal perception.

What does baffle me is the fact that some on here have had multiple fuel pump/sensor or FD problems. By the law of averages, they are either very unlucky/broke a mirror or are actually doing something to contribute to the failings themselves.....:nenau

I wouldn't sit around being worried, do what you can as far as maintence/pre-flight check etc, then enjoy the ride:thumb

Me also living in the Middle East for 11 months of the year I bought my 1st GS over the internet (never rode an adventure bike before), a fab R1200 gs Triple Black from North Oxford BMW (great sales and service) picked it up last year did the 600 miles round the UK to get the first service in then straight off to Southern Spain with my wife, (we covered just under 4000 miles), on a couple of occations before we picked the bike up I thought have I done the right thing :blast but I haveto say it's the best dicision I have ever made we both love the bike:JB can't wait for this years adventure in June:thumb
 


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