BMW present the new 1250GS

[gsbiker]

Still, never say never eh. I might test ride the new bike, and it'll blow me away

I would hope the next GSA would be an improvement considering the competition from Ducati and Triumph which offer more bhp and more. I would like to see push button cruise control added in to name but one improvement. More BHP is a given.

 

[Yonkyo]

I would hope the next GSA would be an improvement considering the competition from Ducati and Triumph which offer more bhp and more. I would like to see push button cruise control added in to name but one improvement. More BHP is a given.

I agree..

Variable engine maps, cruise, and 10 extra ponies and torque's might be a game changer for me.

 

[gsbiker]

I agree..

Variable engine maps, cruise, and 10 extra ponies and torque's might be a game changer for me.

Do you reckon 10bhp improvement is possible from an extra 50cc? Having said that, being water cooled it might rev higher too! But low end grunt is where is counts.

When talking with Triumph sales chap they were saying how the their bike has throttle "fly by wire" - have I got that right? Super quick pickup on acceleration although I like the exhaust note of GS over Triumph, Triumph sounds closer to standard jap bikes - smooth and characterless!

I'd like to see that also! Plus a better seat!

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

Do you reckon 10bhp improvement is possible from an extra 50cc?

When talking with Triumph sales chap they were saying how the their bike has throttle "fly by wire" - have I got that right? Super quick pickup on acceleration. I'd like to see that also! Plus a better seat!

The extra capacity won't make much difference to outright bhp but other changes allowed by water cooling would, such as maybe a higher rev ceiling and tighter tolerances along with any changes that MBW may have made to the engine.......

Fly By Wire is becoming increasingly common on bikes and would allow for better engine management as the same signal that is being sent to the injectors can be read by the rest of the engine management system.

Andres

 

[cookie]

Maybe, but when you find something that suits and it's giving good service whilst still retaining a modicum of value, then it all adds to the mix

I rode the Rallye this week and it left me cold, didn't stir the soul whatsoever

It was functional, powerful and did what it said on the tin, but equally a TMax scooter would have done................plus I couldn't see any value in the £13k pricetag................it was not worth the sum of the parts

but you have the bike you want. the fact that you've tried, even owned, the later models and stuck with the older ones says to me that that is a matter of preference, not something just to save a quid.

 

[MikeP]

How many serious issues affected any of your 1200's or any of the other bikes you mention Mike, you do have first hand experience of catastrophic failures with these bikes don't you

Oh get over it. I didn't mention catastrophic failures, nor did I point at your bike and say you were a twat for buying it.

I simply said that new bikes are less attractive than the last of the model they supersede and for the reasons mentioned. That's been the case long before your beloved 1200 was conceived.

Maybe if I'd said that anyone who now owns a 1200, or who has ever bought a new model is a cock, your reaction would be understandable. I didn't but it hasn't stopped you seeing it that way.

 

[gebrauchtwagen83]

please please please dont let the headlight and beak be like that. thats pathetic

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

but you have the bike you want. the fact that you've tried, even owned, the later models and stuck with the older ones says to me that that is a matter of preference, not something just to save a quid.

Correct

I tried a Twincam 12GS to see what is was like though..........the last 12GS I rode was a 2006/7 one

Storming engine, magnificent brakes.......................but my preference is the older bikes, so you're right

 

[Deleted account 210516001]

Only thing that will persuade me to replace my GSA with a new model is an indication that BMW have confidence that their product is reliable. IE give a warranty that shows they don't think there will be any expensive failures for the first 30,000 miles at least.

 

[Doc Savage]

just got mesel a twin cam GSA - I like it (a lot) compared to the single cam (that was great too) loads of low down poke etc..

Hope that the WC GS and ultimately WC GSA is lives up to the hype and the expectations associated with its eagerly awaited arrival

but....I'll also be keeping hold of my bike for a good while yet IMHO its the best BMW have come up with (apart from the HP2......

Not that bothered about owning a water cooled high revving bike at the moment...

when I do, well.... will I want a LC beemer, or will Honda trumph and yamaha have taken LC adventure bikes to the next level??

its all about the air/oil boxer for me IYKWIM it would be interesting how many of the 'faithful'' will see this in a similar way

 

[2 wheel humvee]

Oh get over it. I didn't mention catastrophic failures, nor did I point at your bike and say you were a twat for buying it.

I simply said that new bikes are less attractive than the last of the model they supersede and for the reasons mentioned. That's been the case long before your beloved 1200 was conceived.

Maybe if I'd said that anyone who now owns a 1200, or who has ever bought a new model is a cock, your reaction would be understandable. I didn't but it hasn't stopped you seeing it that way.

Over it, thanks for caring

 

[Farmer Palmer]

Correct

I tried a Twincam 12GS to see what is was like though..........the last 12GS I rode was a 2006/7 one

Storming engine, magnificent brakes.......................but my preference is the older bikes, so you're right

I always think bikes are like wimmin'..........

 

[Jamesons]

FWIW - Brought a 12GSA this month. Had toyed/planned with the idea of awaiting for a WC - but, having had one of the last 1150gs....hoping history repeats itself. As gs evolves, there will be errors to correct, me, I just want to ride, so decided buy now and get the best of what has been proven, knowing evolution will continue.

As for depreciation, never had a car/or bike that I made any money on. They all lose money, for me, BMW tend to depreciate less, hence part of how I can justify the initial outlay. But, TBH - you take your pick and you pay your cash.

Don't see the point of changing the sides of the shaft/exhaust, red herring surely and a potentially expensive one for owners. One benefit of WC is those taking their IAM test - POWDER checks (petrol, oil, water, defects, electrics, rubber) - at least you can now check the WATER!

 

[Schtum]

Don't see the point of changing the sides of the shaft/exhaust, red herring surely and a potentially expensive one for owners.

No, it increases the commonality of parts between all the shaft drive models in BMW's range and saves them money.

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

..............

Don't see the point of changing the sides of the shaft/exhaust, red herring surely and a potentially expensive one for owners........

It looks like the same drive as the MBW multis so, hopefully, less final drive issues (and cheaper for WBM in production to just have one drive unit for all their bikes).

Andres

Edit: Beaten to it by Schtum

 

[Wilsdorf]

Also means BMW can make a little more cash selling what will hopefully be very nice updated panniers.

How many other bike brands have kept a model range able to use the same cases for so long - it can't go on forever

 

[Big Nick]

Does this now mean 1200 owners can take the piss out of 1250LC owners for their 'inferior' bike

The new bike will sell by the shed load no doubt but why anyone else gives a shit what bike another person buys/rides is beyond me

I can't see it being a drastic improvement over my 2009 GSA and in any event it would cost me too much to change.

 

[Packer]

Does this now mean 1200 owners can take the piss out of 1250LC owners for their 'inferior' bike

Probably. More weight, more complication, more plastic, new problems materialising where the bean counters have forced the use of inferior components.

The proud new "bog" owners will point to the higher power, higher flatter torque, reduced fuel consumption, less rattly engine and the nice new quad black colour scheme to justify the expenditure

 

[original_concept]

Here’s the text loosely translated for ya;

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Top Left (Beak)
Another un-missable feature is the beak on the R1250GS; the windshield should be more inclined towards the rear (driver).

Bottom Left (Brakes)
New brake system with radially mounted calipers.

Middle Bottom (Engine)
The new boxer, for the first time is liquid cooled. Intake and exhaust are opposite in the longitudinal direction.

Middle Top (Faring)
On the sides of the fairing vents, lie the radiators.

Bottom Right (Swing Arm)
Great news, the shaft is now on the left side. (Inverse of the silencer)

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Demmit getting a 2011 Triple Black in August!!

Side mounted radiators..

A new side-rad for a VFR runs to ~£400 each (they have two).

Let's hope those rads don't get twonked by those 'every-day' drops.

 

[Wilsdorf]

Side rads on an adventure big doesn't sound the best idea to me. Maybe they will sell nice expensive radiator guards as an option