BMW spyware in memory

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New BMW bikes have spyware in memory to say if bike has been modified, new dealer boxes will have special number, and if number is not seen by bmw server, can be problem for warranty.
 
As has been the case for VAG cars since forever ....


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This system has been in place since the launch of the 1250 ;-)

Are you working on a hack, Geoff? I see that some tuning companies are claiming there's a way to remap VAG car ECU's without throwing a TD1 flag.
 
No need for a hack, there are already real tuning solutions that get around the system already out there.
 
Are you working on a hack, Geoff? I see that some tuning companies are claiming there's a way to remap VAG car ECU's without throwing a TD1 flag.
Car ECU systems is not something I get involved with I do believe there are companies that have or claim they have found a solution for this .
As I do not alter the original manufacturers part of the memory, at the moment I have no problem but we will see what the future brings .
 
Car ECU systems is not something I get involved with I do believe there are companies that have or claim they have found a solution for this .
As I do not alter the original manufacturers part of the memory, at the moment I have no problem but we will see what the future brings .

As I understand it the system detects any access to the obd port and flags it to the manufacturer. So wherever you in theory put software, you still have to overcome it should you want to avoid the access being detected. Or not use the obd port at all as per rexxer etc.
 
Rom tamper flags have been around for ages,

The first few always get caught,

then once the reverse engineers get to work ;) they can come up with ways to reset tamper flags

I have a toolkit for a certain brand of tablet that can reflash the whole unit to stock, reverse the root option and reset the tamper bits

All it takes is time ;)
 
Rom tamper flags have been around for ages,

The first few always get caught,

then once the reverse engineers get to work ;) they can come up with ways to reset tamper flags

I have a toolkit for a certain brand of tablet that can reflash the whole unit to stock, reverse the root option and reset the tamper bits

All it takes is time ;)

I know Bmw are rolling certain parts of their tamper code on bikes to try and stay one step ahead of the reverse engineers, so what works today might not work in 6 months.

Have u come across this ?
 
I know Bmw are rolling certain parts of their tamper code on bikes to try and stay one step ahead of the reverse engineers, so what works today might not work in 6 months.

Have u come across this ?

I'm aware of it on certain car's VW Seat, but not on bikes

Mobile phones and tablets have been doing it for years (look up "rooting")


Most Car ECU Roms are locked to prevent reverse engineering and the ham fisted , buggering up engine maps in the attempt to squeeze more performance out of the engine ...

bear in mind, that within the 3D map which controls your fueling / performance will be a plenty of leeway to allow more performance, but at the expense of emissions ...

So the map will always favour emissions over performance and tries to strike a happy balance...

by putting antitamper flags , oems can tell if youve been digging around ...

the clever part is being able to reset the flag


New tech now, will be old tech in 6 months time ... 6 month in automotive ecu code is a very long time ;)
 
The oems are certainly trying to lock things down.

I believe the 1250 is also using an update counter if the ecu is written too. So there are several challenges to overcome to hide the activity.
 
The oems are certainly trying to lock things down.

I believe the 1250 is also using an update counter if the ecu is written too. So there are several challenges to overcome to hide the activity.

If nothing done to ecu nothing to be seen correct
 


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