Brake Failure!

just had my rear servo motor go on me had like a grinding noise thought will look at that when i get home, meeting up with Q of traffic noise stopped o good next time brake applied brake failure light comes up flashing quickly but still had residual braking which was good considering i was filtering

rang barry barber at B EMS portsmouth (comes out to pick up bike and return) and he informed me that the rear servo motor had blown no oil in sealed unit!!! said that bmw do one for £1400 ouch got one from motorworks for 289 fitted by barry and all honky dory tried it out on the way to national bmw rally and works fine might do the mod next time if it goes

foot note he also had 3 other gs's in on 03 plate with the same problem a day after mine!!!

mine had done 30000 :augie
 
That's the one - you just beat me to it

Gordon removed both the Servo and the ABS. It isn't clear whether he could have (easily) retained the ABS had he wanted to (though he hints that he would have liked to but the extra cost wasn't justified).

I guess its the old story - anything is possible if you are prepared to spend the time and money on it.

The lot has been gone for some time now and another MOT passed with flying colours. Removing the servo and ABS unit is relatively straightforward and the decision was right for me although other folks are happier to have the unit replaced and retain the full 'benefits' of servo and ABS.

Cheers
 
... and when I went to brake both brake/abs fail lights came on and I was left with residual braking only (next to nothing) and came very close to running into the back of a car.

That is my experience, too. Exactly.

And why the hell did they design it so that when it fails you have virtually no braking, it should at least revert to normal manual braking.

What you call "virtually no braking" is labeled "residual brakes" and is officially and legally the failsafe mode of the power assisted brakes in question:

Curious case of a BMW super-brakes that didn't stop the bike

One of the top bikes on display at the NEC will be BMW Montauk, a beautiful 1200cc machine. Like the German manufacturer's other flagship models it features power braking. Unfortunately, as I and a colleague discovered, the system is flawed. When I tested the Montauk I crashed it into a fence. Kevin Ash, who writes for Motorcycle News, crashed another BMW with the same brakes into a wall. In both instances the power braking didn't respond.
BMW has gone to great lengths developing a system that is supposed to make stopping easier by providing power assistance from the engine. When you press on the brakes a servo system multiplies the pressure you apply. But in certain admittedly rare circumstances the system is slow to cut in and you are left with the sensation of having no brakes at all.
My close shave happened when I was riding the Montauk, a cruiser similar to the bike Pierce Brosnan rode in the Bond film Tomorrow Never Dies near Bondi Beach, Australia, earlier this year. The only thing that stopped me going over a cliff into the Pacific was a wooden fence. Bond survived a 200ft leap but I would not have. Ash crashed a BMW under almost identical circumstances while testing a new model.
Jeremy Bowdler, editor of Two Wheels, Australia's bestselling motorcycling magazine, is also sceptical of the system. BMW does have a problem and I suspect it goes deeper than they'll admit, he said. After testing the Montauk, Bowdler claimed: What I see as the problem (with the brakes) is an intermittent fault I have experienced on several modern BMWs, not just the Montauk.
BMW's spokesman in the UK denied a fault. He also said there was always enough a residual braking back-up brakes that don't need power to stop the bike. At the same time the company has tacitly acknowledged the braking system could be improved. It has ,significantly strengthened the back-up brakes on its new R1200GS and K1200S. The company has also put a note in its owners manual emphasising that riders must go through a series of procedures after switching on the engine (involving releasing the brakes for long enough for the system to prime itself), especially when starting the bike on a gradient. But, as Ash pointed out, you shouldn't have to consult a manual to find out how to use brakes.
Motorcyclist Magazine, the popular American publication, went a step further, saying: servo-assisted system is, we believe, a prime example of misguided technology creating more problems than it solves, muddling the connection between rider and road . . . All semblance of feel and feedback are gone, with no gain to compensate. Motorcycles do not need power brakes, at least not these power brakes.

The Sunday Times 11/07/2004 ~ Nicholas Rufford

You see, BMW has ,significantly strengthened the back-up brakes on its new R1200GS. There might have been a reason to repair the fail safe mode.

So my question is for those who have scrapped the servo and converted to normal brakes, how do they perform,and are you pleased with the results?:thumb2

They perform brilliant, and I was very pleased with the results.
 
so what BM have you got?

I traded the BMW R1150GS Adventure with power assisted brakes in for the only bike that was available without power assistance and ABS but perfect regular brakes at that time in the showroom: BMW BoxerCup Replica '04.

BTW: "As an engineer, I am really embarrassed that other engineers would put
a product with such a predicable failure mode on the market." 08/31/2001 !!!
 
.. seems a pretty pointless exercise from BMW, extra weight and extra potential problems, for what purpose I ask myself ??:confused:

The purpose is really very well documented by BMW.

The purpose was to give the beginners and unexperienced the chance to brake safe. But they did forget that the target group beginners and unexperienced cannot deal with the 'residual brakes'. Even professional couldn't. Therefore they repaired in the meantime the system with the R1200GS and the dropped the system when the Conti system was ready. And they dropped the manufacturer, too. FTE automotive did shut down their 2-wheel division some month ago!
 


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