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i-bmw: "brake failure on 03 K12RS"

source: Brake failure on 03 K12RS [[url]www.i-bmw.com)[/URL]

"...straight to the dealer who said it showed 4 faults but didn't know what caused them and the had cleared the computer and it would be fine. after getting it back it seemed fine for a couple weeks and this weekend with my wife on the bike with damn near went through an intersection due to same brake failure. they said bring it back in and they will check it again. any suggestions or anyone else had this. ..."

"... Same thing happened to me on my '02. Power assist failed twice in about 4 weeks. Dealer replaced the control unit for the power assist and it has not happened again in over 20K miles. If it has happened twice to you, you should get the module replaced. ..."

"... i had been riding several miles when it malfucntioned, each time. the bike has never been wrecked or dropped, so thankfully that is not a cause. this first time before they reset it the cruise control stopped working as well dealer fealt all were related. the bike has had the new ecu put in and all this has happened after it was put in. it runs better but now it has disfunctional brakes. i really hope this can be figured out ..."

"... i don't understand why the last time it happened it showed the faults in the computer and this time not. ..."
 
Brake Failure on BMW K1200S (Demo Bike)

Brake system Failed on Demo Bike

What a surprize a buddy of mine had at BMW Motorcycles - St. Louis. While out on a demo ride the entire braking system failed. He had no brakes - nada!! Luckily he was able to slow down enough to stop with his feet. The dealer said they had to order a new hydo unit from Germany - so no more demo rides for now!!
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Source: i-bmw.com
 
I don't have $1700 to buy a new ABS brain

http://www.chromeheads.org/discus/messages/6/118397.html?1111108200

"I'm not sure I want to spend $1700 for a part plus whatever for labor. This bike is barely over the 3-year mark"

"Did you ever get your ABS fixed? The exact same thing happened to me about 5 months ago, I have been living with no ABS and blinking lights ever since, I don't have $1700 to buy a new ABS brain so I haven't been back to the dealer"
 
 
14 consecutive posts by the same person must be something of a record. Who are you? Narcissus?

We've got the message. Give it a rest.

Paul
 
cover up?

Dr.ABS Brake said:
Source: i-bmw.com
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I have to offer an update information.

As you may know the rider that experienced the bake failure was Ray Zimmerman, Executive Director of the MOA! So I contacted him directly. He answered me on 04/21/05 about his test ride on the K1200S. He wrote me, that the motorcycle in question had a partial problem with the rear brake which he understand the dealer is/has corrected. He also stated that the stopping ability of the K1200S was not compromised.

Well, I have a few notes to all that. As you can see his buddy told the community that "the entire braking system failed. He had no brakes - nada!!". How come that this was a different story from his friend?

Anyway. Thanks to Mr. Zimmermann from the MOA we do now know that BMW K1200S motorbikes have brakes with a quality that can fail just like the other BMW bikes, especially the GS, with integral brakes do. As we know the rear brake of the integral brake system is very weak. So he was very lucky that not the front brake failed, because this might have been an other story!

And there is not only the story of Mr. Zimmermann and his buddy with the screen name B_Haugen. There's also the story of the dealer (BMW of St. Louis). I don't tell his story because I cannot back up this information.

I thought immediately that someone tries to cover up the mess.

Dr.
 
the concept remained fundamentally flawed

I just got an idea of the real problem with the brakes. The problem could be that the brakes are improved on the new BMW R1200GS, BMW R1200ST, RT, KS, but there is evidence that the conceptual problems remain, on other words "the concept remained fundamentally flawed":

Just had the 300-750 drive-in check on my 1200RT. I had 2 incidences of the "break failure" light. Amazingly the 2nd was in the dealer parking lot this a.m. After 6 hours, the mechanic couldn't get the computer to clear the fault or make it reapply brake assit when he changed speeds; e.g. braking at 35MPH lightly then suddenly increasing lever pressure yields zero brake assist. Now that could be a problem in a tight spot. So, they kept the bike and sent me home...
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Source: http://news.motorcycle.com/article.motml?sid=3015

There was a time when I thought that brake failures happen after some milage. But there seems to be evidence that you can get in trouble even on Demo-Bikes or new bikes you bought.

Dr.
 
maintenance costs of integral brakes

I did some research on the topic maintenance costs of the BMW Integral Brake System.

So - what I see are doubts by BMW themselves that every rider will do the servicing in time and correctly after the warranty. If they try to avoid the huge (!!!) maintenance costs of this complex braking system, or even worse, try to service their brakes themselves, that could be a major threat to traffic security!

If you read the interview with Mr. Stoffregen (press officer of BMW MOTORRAD Munich) in the special issue no. 13 of MO "BMW MOTORRÄDER", you’ll see that he draws to the point of THIS REAL PROBLEM himself!

Original German text, from the interview with Mr. Stoffregen:

"Es sind eher Dinge wie mangelhafte Wartung, also nicht ordnungsgemäßer Wechsel der Bremsflüssigkeit oder nicht vorschriftsmäßige Entlüftung, die uns bewegen. Denn wir wissen, die Wartungsintensität und Wartungsgüte lässt über die Laufzeit und bei Besitzerwechsel häufig nach. Hier überlegen wir zur Zeit, wie wir duch spezielle, attraktive Angebote unsere Kunden auch nach Jahren noch zur Regelwartung beim BMW-Händler motivieren können."
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So what we face now are failures of the system that are design issues. Please, don't draw to the point that failures are meaningless and that residual braking power is wonderful. I know reality, and in reality this residual braking power sucks! So what me might face in the future could be a serious threat due to maintenance that was not done by BMW mechanics at the dealer, or was not done at all, or was not done properly in any way.

Who want's to buy motorbikes with this amazing costs in maintenance? I really don't know. Time will tell how this issue will damage owners' values maliciously. At least in 2006 with the new brakes of Continental Teves (without servos!) this theory could be validated.

Dr.
 
Bad sensor!

I would like to give you a view what could happen if the front wheel sensor is bad:

“I pull the brake level and nothing happens. My first thought is that I just have residual braking so I squeeze that level hard. It feels like I still have full fluid pressure, but there is absolutely nothing slowing down the bike.”
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source:
bmwsporttouring.com
 
Paul Wakefield said:
14 consecutive posts by the same person must be something of a record. Who are you? Narcissus?

We've got the message. Give it a rest.

Paul
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Unfortunately Paul even the BMW owners's site doesn't get a reprieve re this subject as he obviously goes under the non deplume name of " press officer"
There are obviously bikes out ther which have not suffered any problems what so ever and all he seems to be doing is spreading fear and hearsay.
"DR" what are you trying to achieve in quoting articles from german publications with your own interpretation of whats been actually said, not all of us are fluent in german, so i guess most people seem to have jumped on the bandwagon based on some of your comments.
If the there is such a catastrophic amount of brake failure incidents happening as you keep on claiming - surely the relevant bodies such as the department of transport here in england or the "TUV" in germany would have become involved by now based on your comments.
Ps do you actually own a BMW ??
 
Dear skywalker,

... surely the relevant bodies such as the department of transport here in england or the "TUV" in germany would have become involved ...
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No! These brakes are legal at all, they do have backup brakes and they do have a warning light. This is no issue for ODI (USA), for VOSA (UK) or for the KBA (Germany).

It's even legal to sell devective brakes, or brakes with very poor quality, or brakes with a flawed design. It's legal. It has nothing to do with the number of failures, you see? If 21 brakes failed or 220.000 dosn't count, really, that is all legal !!!

Anyway, we do have in Germany an investigation by the DA.

Dr.
 
Anyway, we do have in Germany an investigation by the DA.

Dr. [/B][/QUOTE]
Since ABS3 has been around since 2001 - wots their conclusion ??
On a lighter note - why is your english better on the BMW UK owner's site under your other sodonym. If it isn't you then i apologise in advance.
 
Originally posted by skywalker wots their conclusion ?
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They will inform me when the investigation is closed. Until now they didn't. AFAIK the case is still open.

Suppose somebody knows that production of these brakes cannot be guarateed error free. And suppose somebody knows of the real impact of the backup hydraulic brakes combined with loosing linked brakes and ABS. Suppose somebody is selling these brakes anyway. Suppose this is all true.

What would the DA in this case do? Does he have to wait for cold dead bodies, or does he not have to wait for cold dead bodies?

And keep in mind that these brakes are legal at all for ODI, VOSA and KBA.

Dr.
 
i had a strange brake failure over one year ago. at the time i didn´t know about the problem that servo bikes were having.

anyway i have been busy writing a letter to BMW concerning this and other associated problems during the ownership of the bike.

i´m sure they will disregard my points as much as they brush everybody else´s to one side, but i feel i must voice my opinion.

what i need is an email address to send it to...i don´t want it go to the wrong person if you know what i mean.

BMW probably scan the topics on this website anyway, so if you are reading please give me the email address.
 
maybe my previous mail was not clear enough....i´m not just asking BMW for an email address.

if anyone knows where i can email my letter of complaints to i´d be more than happy, perhaps then more of us can tell them what we think.
 
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