Carrying Documents

The question relates to travelling abroad. If you are that troubled by the concept, a letter from your mum (witnessed by a priest, family GP or a serving police officer) will suffice.
So you can’t answer my question either. No surprise there.
 
I have a back up .
I have pictures of all necessary paperwork on my phone. As well as paper copies.
This saved me when my documents went missing in Austria in 2018.

As I’d reported the suspected pick pocketing to the local plod after it happened when I got stopped for a document check, I explained what had happened and they accepted the photos as proof of V5 and insurance.
 
Carry all of my bike documents, travel insurance and passport in my tank bag. Passport is in my travel wallet, documents in a separate compartment inside the DL Sized snap pocket, which is zipped away in a separate compartment less accessed inside my tank bag.
 
you seem to be conflating regulations in the UK and abroad

in the UK we do not need to carry documents as everything is on the PNC so we only need the photocard to establish identity. The V5 largely exists to establish tax and fine liability in the UK.

in foreign, they can make whatever rules they want and I am not their spokesperson
Your answer makes most sense. It’s to do with who to fine in case of speeding etc. I’m not and never have disputed their rights to ask for whatever documents they want. Although some seem to think I have. I don’t know why.
I can’t remember what we had to take back in the 70s as regards documents. I seem to remember driving licences but seeing as they didn’t have pictures on them they weren’t much use for identification. Log book, maybe a green card that was neither card or green. Oh, I do remember painting the van headlights yellow and putting black tape on them for France.
 
I'll start to carry them.
My insurance info is on my phone.
 
Your answer makes most sense. It’s to do with who to fine in case of speeding etc. I’m not and never have disputed their rights to ask for whatever documents they want. Although some seem to think I have. I don’t know why.
I can’t remember what we had to take back in the 70s as regards documents. I seem to remember driving licences but seeing as they didn’t have pictures on them they weren’t much use for identification. Log book, maybe a green card that was neither card or green. Oh, I do remember painting the van headlights yellow and putting black tape on them for France.

the other thing is that those foreign police officers might think they are seeing proof of ownership as required in their country as they do not understand the nuance we have between legal title and registered keeper.

Whether in the UK or abroad, the V5 exists for compliance purposes. Failure to comply within the local law can mean a fine and inconvenience.
 
It isn’t, but it’s all we have as regards proof of ownership. There isn’t anything else. If someone steals your vehicle, changes the V5 to their name how does one prove they aren’t the owner?
In France and Germany, its not proof of ownership. Its the ID document for the vehicle.
France:
The registration certificate allows the circulation and identification of the vehicle throughout the life of the vehicle. It is compulsory for the circulation of a vehicle.
Germany:
Vehicle registration is strictly regulated in Germany. Anyone who operates a vehicle without a registration certificate issued by the licensing authority risks a fine and points.
 
I can’t remember what we had to take back in the 70s as regards documents.

The rules were broadly the same then, as they are now. The intervening fifty odd years * have not altered things too much. That said, the so called ‘Green cards’ have of course vanished for use in Europe, replaced by a simple statement of conformity on your certificate of insurance **, though they did make a reappearance post-Brexit, much to the confusion and some considerable annoyance of many here.

You probably had to fill in a currency / customs declaration form back in the 70’s. But that was something different.

* Was that really the last time you went ‘abroad’ by vehicle?

** Which is probably digital or a printable PDF now.
 
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You probably had to fill in a currency / customs declaration form back in the 70’s But that was something different.
There was a page at the back of the passport where you declared how much cash you were taking out of the country.
Much stuffing of £ notes in your socks. I think you were limited to £50 at one time. (Labour Gov)
 
Normally carry my DL as part of my wallet - other than that my passport is in the hotel safe, never ever take my V5 abroad but do have a pic on my phone.
 
The rules were broadly the same then, as they are now. The intervening fifty odd years * have not altered things too much. That said, the so called ‘Green cards’ have of course vanished for use in Europe, replaced by a simple statement of conformity on your certificate of insurance **, though they did make a reappearance post-Brexit, much to the confusion and some considerable annoyance of many here.

You probably had to fill in a currency / customs declaration form back in the 70’s. But that was something different.

* Was that really the last time you went ‘abroad’ by vehicle?

** Which is probably digital or a printable PDF now.
No I go four or five times a year. I just wondered about the why of carrying the V5 if it doesn’t prove anything. Seems a bit pointless. As Wessie says though it’s probably for fines etc.
I don’t think the insurance documents on the phone are acceptable. I think a printed copy is required. I do have these docs when touring but just wondered about the V5 in particular not having any bearing on the person in the car being the owner.
 
Having got stopped the other day and got asked to produce my documents. As we were moving on we had them on the bike with us.
What happens if you are out for a ride and have left them back at the hotel ?
This is in Germany.
Generally I don't carry them as never think to put them in the panniers.

Cheers Doc
I’ve been hearing about more bikers getting harassed in Germany. I can’t imagine you were speeding much with Jayne on back - so why did they stop you??
I’ve never been bothered in Germany, but not been for a while……….and then again, I was on a German bike!! :augie
 
Cops were happy with my original log book and driving license.
Insurance documents were not asked for.
 
I’ve been hearing about more bikers getting harassed in Germany. I can’t imagine you were speeding much with Jayne on back - so why did they stop you??
I’ve never been bothered in Germany, but not been for a while……….and then again, I was on a German bike!! :augie
No idea as my waistcoat wasn't on display which sometimes can cause interest from the police. And I was going through a village slowly. I did see them parked up.
He did clock my waistcoat when I unzipped my waterproof top and was expecting the usual question of was I involved or a member of a club but he didn't.
 


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