Cash or PCP ?

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I’ve got the funds for a used low mileage, high spec S1000XR or an R1300GS, but the bike will be a keeper. Once I’ve bought it, I won’t be in a position in a few years time to do the same again and when out of warranty, any repair costs will be on me. I’ve never had a PCP before, on my cars or bikes, but the thought of handing the bike back and starting a new PCP has a certain appeal.

Has anyone been in a similar situation and if so, which route did you go ?

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If it's a keeper, say 10 yrs, a PCP repeated 3 times will have you at the 9 yr point, walking away with nothing, but having spent c £20-£25k for the privilege (£3500k deposit and £209 a month for the 3 year period....likely a bit back from the dealer to add to the deposit for the 2nd rental and then the 3rd one...)
Personally, I'd be looking at a well looked after, nearly new version for perhaps £15k and buy outright....putting £100 a month away for any post warranty issues that may arise. 9 yrs down the line, you'd still own a 1300GS or 1000XR but it'd not need handing back and you'd likely have a few £££ in the repairs pot..untouched.
 
it doesn't need to be out of warranty, the warranty can be renewed on the R1300GS when its 3 years old for about £400 pounds, I'm just doing it myself. If the interest rate is very low pcp is ok, you could stick any spare cash not used in the deposit in an ISA or Cash ISA. Over 6 percent apr interest rate and I wouldn't be as keen you pay a lot in interest charges a 5 year bank loan could work out cheaper. Eg 9.9 percent apr means a lot in interest charges.
 
….., but the thought of handing the bike back and starting a new PCP has a certain appeal.
Is that starting a new PCP on the existing bike? Sorry for the dumb question.
Would a dealer let you do that, or am I asking the wrong question?
 
Do you want the convenience of a PCP that you're willing to pay for as I'm guessing it's not 0% intetest? PCPs have an appeal for those who change their bikes regularly knowing if it's got/had any reliability issues you can just hand it back at the end of the term for it to become the dealers problem not yours, or if you don't have the funds/don't want to use savings etc to buy it outright. You say it'll be a keeper too so I'm assuming you've not quite nade your mind up. Look at what it'll cost in total if you go down the PCP route, from initial deposit, the monthly payments plus the ballot payment at the end you'll have to pay to keep the bike to see if you're happy with that or prefer to buy it outright from the start. If you do go down the PCP route consider getting gap insurance in case your bike gets nicked of written off during the term as what the insurance will offer is unlikely to cover the final settlement you'll have to pay the finance company. I've had PCPs on a couple of cars to get things like the manufacturers contribution and free servicing then paid the PCP off almost straight away but that was on new ones not used, so they're unlikely to be included?

I buy my bikes and cars outright as I don't like paying intetest on a deprecating asset but if I was considering a PCP for the long term rather than to just get a better overall deal I'd want 0% interest.

Good luck with what you finally decide to do and enjoy your new to you bike, what ever you choose.
 
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Another point worth remembering is you're paying the (usually higher) interest rate on the balloon payment for the duration of the PCP term. (n)
 
To me the equation is.

What am I paying out (deposit and monthly payment) and what will I get for the bike if I want to p/x or sell.
The difficult part is estimating what the bike will be worth in say 3yrs or 4yrs.

With PCP you know that you can hand it back - no matter what - but if you decide to keep it then it will cost you quite a bit more.

However the money in the bank will counter some of this (possibly)
 
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Is that starting a new PCP on the existing bike? Sorry for the dumb question.
Would a dealer let you do that, or am I asking the wrong question?
New PCP would be on a new bike.
 
Depends if you want your own motorcycle. Or have the use of somebody else's with conditions...
Shop around for a low miles bike, buy it outright. Extend the warranty. At any point in time you can sell the bike if finances take a turn for the worse..or conversely trade it for something newer later on.
 
I'm personally a 'buy it' person but recognise there are benefits to PCP. Having reached the ripe old age of 63 I wouldn't want to be buying a heavier bike than my 1200GS and in 10 years time I probably won't be able to ride/push it in/out of the garage.
 
I have no idea about PCP charges but wouldn’t a bank loan be a cheaper way of doing it? :nenau
Even if it’s half cash half loan it must work out better?
 
you would have thought a Scotsman , would do the numbers .

buy outright
bank loan or half loan , half cash .
PCP + balloon payment , hand back or sell.

3 different numbers , i'm sure .

me . i own all my bikes , only ever put 1 on a loan . ( the only one i ever brought new )
 
Having spent a wee fortune on Finance over the many years, I firmly believe these days, if you cannot afford to buy outright, do without.
Yes, getting finance, means a bike is available right away, but still does not fully belong to you until the final payment is made.
Giving dealerships the nod to go with finance, they are delighted to do so, as they make commission on any finance deals, plus the sale price of the new bike, plus the money made on selling any trade-in bike later.
Win win more for them.
 
I have had my bike, which is at least my 7th "keeper" to date for ~7 years now, which is a record, and mainly because of starting a family and taking a paycut to be around more means I use it less and cannot justify a swop out.

With PCP after Deposit and 3 years payments (with Interest) I would of spaffed about £9K, and probably had very little extra value above the GFV, let's say I was lucky enough to have a grand left over, so the 2nd bike would of cost me maybe £8k, and I would now be on bike number 3, or maybe I handed back bike number two - after spending £17k, but at 7 years old it is still worth £5k, maybe a smidge more, but having paid cash I have only lost about £8-9k in that time, leaving me £8-9k better off,m with an extra years use of the bike.

The downside is I reached the big service which would of not happened on PCP (costing £600 ish), I needed a fuel sender and brake switch with the bike out of warranty - close to £200, and I did not have a shiny new bike after 3 years.

And it is now depreciating at well under a grand a year, as opposed to a PCP bike losing £3k a year, but I have an old bike, it might go wrong and is not under warranty - but needs to have some serious problems to start costing £2-3k a year in repairs.

I have had my suspension reworked / serviced and a remap, cost just over a grand, but it really does ride better than the day it was new, it still looks tidy, and depsite two face-lift / upgrade models there is not a lot difference when tested back-to-back, except a load more electronic shit to go wrong!

The calculations for changing every 3 years will be wildly different, and PCP gives you a guarantee you cannot "lose your shirt" if prices plummet, and especially good if they give an incentive package for the PCP, historically I have bought heavily discounted bikes / pre-reg / ex-demo's / last years colours etc when buying new and saved about 15-20% off new price each time, sometimes with some extra's thrown in on top
:)
 
BMW UK are currently doing 4.9% APR on the GS and 3.9% on the GSA and XR, if that makes any difference.

I went to look at a used GS on PCP last month, and ended up getting a new one due to it being cheaper per month. I also rolled a service inclusive into it, and it came with a 3-year warranty.

My thinking was that if at the end of the term I want to keep it, I can just settle the outstanding balance. If I don't, no sweat, I've lost what it would've depreciated anyway.

Yes, you end up paying more, but for a "keeper" rather than something you're flipping in a couple of years, it's nice to know where it's been.

Either way, you can't win: nicer motorbikes are usually expensive, and if you don't like that, there are always ones which aren't as nice.
 
Cash everytime. My current GSA was £29,600. I wont do credit. PCP is allowing people to own things they really cant afford. The dealers don't care. But once you're on, its hard to get off it. When I bought this bike, There was a line of 11 bikes all sold. The salesman told me, out of the 11 bikes, mine was the only one bought cash. I just don't get it. Ill keep it after warranty. And if something goes wrong, ill get it fixed. Thats is cheaper than paying out a fortune every month, year after year.
 
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