Clacks , Crunches, or cant get Neutral

andylel said:
As soon as I ****** get one I will be asking for part number. Bikes been sat at the dealers for the last three weeks with another 16 day lead time on the part as of this morning. Hope it fixes the problems when it gets here:mad:
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Still waiting for my push rod it has now been 3 months since I reported the gear chang problem
 
Yep I've been allocated a rod and the dealer has been updated and can see that its in Germany awaiting delivery to the dealer but the wait is still ongoing !

However i had to collect my bike today after several weeks sitting at the dealers as I'm off to the alps in 2 wks and could not go on the dealer gs, its nice to be back on my own bike even with its faults its still a cracking tool. After riding the dealers bike for sometime i can honestly say my box is awful but the bike is still fully useable. Ive had the brake pads fitted there deffo thicker than the originals and bite as good and If they are the same material as stock, but look twice as thick i recon 7k-ish they will be done i can live with that.

Warranty wise.
I'm awaiting replacement vario panniers, subframe fix, clutch rod, rubber drive boot but I'm not going to let it spoil my fun.

I've got some bling to fit over the nxt couple days, full set of hornig frame plugs, wunderlich air intake grills, wunderlich 35mm up and back bar risers, Hp akro can (my Remus will be FOR SALE) translogic quickshifter(will it eliminate the clunking box ! )

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Last week I allowed a close friend to ride my bike. He is a very experienced motorcyclist and trained as an advanced Met Police rider and probably the quickest rider i know. He has had as many bikes as you can imagine and everything from Triumph's, through all of the large Jap bikes and even a replica Foggy Ducati. As such I respect his opinion. He enjoyed the bike and when I asked his opinion of the gearbox he simply said'its a typical BMW box'. He actually said if you want the best box buy a Suzuki. Perhaps we are all expecting a bit too much. I have tweaked the lever adjustment and taken off the footrest rubbers and apart from a bit of a clonk going into first the rest is no worse than many of the bikes I have ridden. Even with the Sidi's on I have managed to get a feel for the gears and by treating it with a light but positive pressure it seems more than acceptable. Even finding neutral is first or second time at worst.
 
Since the new clutch rod was fitted to my bike ( my bike was one of the first to have these mods done) and I had the new clutch slave cylinder fitted there gear changes have improved. I never had a problem finding neutral but had the bike jumping quite badly when I selected first and had very rough changes up and down in the first three gears. Since the work has been done there has been a real improvement but the changes up and down in the higher three gears are still much smoother.

Since I have Daytona MStar boots, thicker soles, I have already adjusted the gear lever to suit. It made no difference to the smoothness of the change but just far more comfortable for my foot.

SMB
 
SMB said:
Since the new clutch rod was fitted to my bike ( my bike was one of the first to have these mods done) and I had the new clutch slave cylinder fitted there gear changes have improved. I never had a problem finding neutral but had the bike jumping quite badly when I selected first and had very rough changes up and down in the first three gears. Since the work has been done there has been a real improvement but the changes up and down in the higher three gears are still much smoother.

Since I have Daytona MStar boots, thicker soles, I have already adjusted the gear lever to suit. It made no difference to the smoothness of the change but just far more comfortable for my foot.

SMB
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That's good:thumb
 
There is an interview in the latest BMW Motorcyle Magazine which addresses the shifting complaints...note he seems to confirm that overfilling of the oil could be a problem. Pasted below:

NEWS | INTERVIEW


Shift Shock

Making the rounds on the Internet: possible clutch problems in the new BMW R1200GS. Jens Staebe of BMW Motorrad offers his opinion.

In our test of the new 2013 BMW R1200GS last issue (Summer 2013, pages 34-41), we criticized the odd separation behavior of the clutch and the resulting shift shock. Since then, we have heard from some readers describing the same issues while others seem to have more luck and report only smooth and quiet shifting. Can you explain this?

Jens Staebe: The separation behavior of a wet clutch type of construction is affected by the supply of oil to the clutch plates. In addition to the use of the approved type of oil and the correct oil level, the intensity of lubrication of the clutch plates is crucial. The amount of oil is essentially determined by the cross section of the oil passages in the clutch pressure plate. Due to the present manufacturing process of the clutch and the tolerance range of the pressure piece, lubrication of the clutch plates and therefore the separation behavior may vary within a certain range.


What do you recommend for those who feel their clutch separates badly? Are there improvements that can be made? How about the use of certain types of oil? Have all authorized dealers been notified?

Jens Staebe: Basically, a customer who objects to the separation behavior of the clutch should turn to his BMW motorcycle dealer. They would check that the approved type of oil (Castrol Power 1 Racing SAE 5W-40, API SL/JASO MA2) is being used and the correct level is set in each case. Any overfilling should be avoided. We are familiar with isolated confirmations of this separation behavior of the clutch, which is why we are investigating improvements. If technical measures should be necessary, we will inform our commercial network immediately.


Is only Castrol oil approved for the new BMW R1200GS? Can oil by another manufacturer also be used if it meets the required specifications?

Jens Staebe: The approved Castrol Power 1 was extensively checked and tested under all operating conditions. Use of other oils from other manufacturers—even with the same specifications—carries the risk that supplements/additives might be included, which can adversely affect the function of the clutch. Therefore, until further notice, there is only this one approved oil.


This oil clutch problem was not known before the launch? There was a similar case 20 years ago, when the first generation of the BMW F650, also with a wet clutch, when changing to certain types of oil led to an undesirable side effect, namely slipping the clutch.

Jens Staebe: The issue in the case of the F650 was the use of incorrect, non-approved oils that led to the slipping of the clutch. Problematic, for example, are additives that may impact wet clutches, such as those used in engine oils for passenger cars.
 
so, only one oil can be used because of bmw's poor engineering and testing :rolleyes:
 
Emoto said:
Was there a repair/work order for the work? If so, did it have any part number on it? :)
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Just returned from my dealer. The parts and after-sales manager told me that as of yet there is no part number as this is a special part. He told me that he raised the problem with BMW technical division and that this new push rod delivery was then triggered.

Sorry that I can be of no further help. I would just insist that your dealer contacts the local technical division in order to take this further.

SMB
 
Mine improved significantly in the last couple of days. Odo is around 4k miles. It may be due to the oil engine used up to now. Tomorrow I'll drain out 250 cc more to see if it gets better
 
Bob (alias SMB or vice versa), good to meet you at Ocean today and also David, ex mech eng lecturer at Plymouth Uni, who I haven't met for many a year. Dave's brand new Victory looked beautiful but definitely not for typical GS type Euro tours.
It was interesting to hear Bill the Service Manager say that BMW have just told him that the clutch drag problem is too much oil getting to the clutch which confirms what I was told at Garmisch.
Your clutch doesn't drag anything like mine does so maybe the new clutch push rod does help (somehow, he adds).
 
Elvisto said:
OK ! Longlegs, you hit the nail on the head with your first sentence,

Quote! since my first service, Soooo was it ok before this service, If it was, it has to be a cock up at the first service, IMHO.

It sure looks like someone put the wrong oil in :blast

They aren't going to admit it, are they? Perhaps they'll just take the front cover off , put it back on,fill with the correct oil, and tell you they've fixed it, :blast

Sorry i'm not much help, hope its sorted soon
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+1 IMHO but I hope you get it sorted too
 
Just thought I would mention...

I couldn't be arsed to read all the posts in this, so apologies to all if this has been already mentioned, but if its of any help there is an interview with a German Motorrad guy in the fall edition of the BMW Motorcycle Magazine (page 18) who discusses the dragging clutch issue and suggests the oil type is critical to preventing it happening - would appear to align with some of your comments....

Just thought I would mention... hope it helps! :aidan
 
Are we talking about the crunch when selecting first gear at standstill ?. Looking at the 3D promotion video the clutch basket seems to be running the same speed as the crankshaft. Most other bikes run at lest half the crank speed. I think this high clutch speed and the inherent drag of a wet clutch will always "rattle the dogs" when selecting at standstill. Not sure if this helps or hinders when moving through the box when riding.....
Just my thoughts.
 
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