Clacks , Crunches, or cant get Neutral

JohnnyBoxer said:
I think Steve wishes he'd kept his TwinCam :blast

He rides a Stelvio now ;)
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Having owned all variations of the 1200gs,I firmly believe the twin cam to be the best overall bike.

But,the wc did me a massive favour,it made me have another look at the Stelvio which most probably puts the biggest smile on my face of any bike I've owned,and I kid you not I've owned over a 100 bikes in 42 yrs of biking.

Steve
 
Having owned all 3 variants of the 1200 GS, I firmly believe the WC to be the best :)
 
Engineer said:
Having owned all 3 variants of the 1200 GS, I firmly believe the WC to be the best :)
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There have been 4 variants of the gs. and you could argue 5.

It's all relative,the WC is without doubt the fastest on paper and possibly the best handling on paper.
But it ain't got no soul and it's gearbox is crap,plus the finish is suspect.

The whole BMW experience from buying to owning isn't what it used to be IMHO

Steve
 
wrinkleyowlie said:
But it ain't got no soul and it's gearbox is crap,plus the finish is suspect.

The whole BMW experience from buying to owning isn't what it used to be IMHO

Steve
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Now I would say my GS WC has got soul, I fit to it like a bolt on accessory.. So much so that I wanna trade it for a new keyless with heavy flywheel, but I can't just seem to let it go.. I won't get another as good if I don't like the new model..

I would agree though that the experience isn't as good as it used to be.. :friday
 
wrinkleyowlie said:
There have been 4 variants of the gs. and you could argue 5.

It's all relative,the WC is without doubt the fastest on paper and possibly the best handling on paper.
But it ain't got no soul and it's gearbox is crap,plus the finish is suspect.

The whole BMW experience from buying to owning isn't what it used to be IMHO

Steve
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The other two were not really much different, there have only been 3 fundamentally different 1200 standard GS's - my gearbox is fine and getting smoother as the miles pile up, you just have to know how to ride it - it is especially superior to the previous two models for two up use due to the increased torque and power.
 
snaponphil said:
So much so that I wanna trade it for a new keyless with heavy flywheel, but I can't just seem to let it go.. I won't get another as good if I don't like . :friday
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The heavy flywheel makes a huge difference in 2 ways, first one is good, well the bike had a lovely gear change it snickered thro gears perfectly and thats the good part over with. The heavy wheel makes the engine feel as tho torque is very flat and felt unexciting i bounced it off the limiter without realising and thought IS THAT IT :( where's my bike spins up seriously quick and keeps your eyeballs wide open.

I do really really like the wc and looked hard into a new one being offered as a replacement from BMW and tbh it was in my favour to opt for a new 15 model until i rode one and i felt as tho its heart had been stolen it was gutless so i took everything into consideration as i want a bike as a keeper ie to extend the warranty is £385 and will cover everything apart from corrosion and general wear and tear, but with all the hassle I've had I'm not wanting to be in this situation again and the 15 model did not float my boat, I'v opted to having a new engine fitted due to a water leak they cannot fix and I'm going to sell it cheap and walk away from the WC .

The TC is old hat regarding technology but its a wise purchase and there holding there value more so than the WC because deep down even the dealers no the TC is a strong purchase.
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Anyone want a cheap mint (OCD) 14 model WC ! fitted with a brand new engine
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after a 2000 kms ride over small B roads , the water GS is the still ... the best bike I have ever had the privilege to ride.

handling is sublime.
 
Ohh Ding Dong..
U certainly have problems.. Big problems..

That's what I'm thinking about the heavier flywheel, flatter torque curve.. Mine spins up nicely..:beerjug:

U've sunk Ur time & money into the WC, if u get a new engine why not just keep it & use it for a while, I'm sure u can work out a bit of compo from BMW or the dealers..
Bike looks really nice btw..
 
snaponphil said:
Ohh Ding Dong..
U certainly have problems.. Big problems..

U've sunk Ur time & money into the WC, if u get a new engine why not just keep it & use it for a while, I'm sure u can work out a bit of compo from BMW or the dealers..
Bike looks really nice btw..
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Trust me i don't have problems and yes I've sunk money into this bike and its absolutely mint, really mint but all this hassle leaves a sour taste, bmw have offered me a new bike if i make a contribution tbh i feel i should not have to contribute especially as this bike is a replacement for my original complaint and that 1st bike had serious issues, the panniers did no fit, clutch dragged/slipped, gearbox clunked, final drive boot holed, rear pads worn to plates all within 2k and the final straw was when it tried to kill me because the steering did not match the frame !

I've exhausted all avenues, (letter to Tim Abbott - phone calls to Andy Cook BMW UK) and pleaded with the dealer all within the last 4 months while I've been trying to sort this out, there not moving on there offer they feel its within reason, im very unhappy with this so decided its having a new engine nxt wk and i will be selling it.

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SteveM said:
Errrr...... So they want you to BUY another one.
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Exactly - even after all the enormity of his previous problems, which have caused him no end of aggro & quite possibly some monetary loss

Still, another new bike sold to DD & registered for BMW which will keep the GS at the top of the sales charts :)
 
SteveM said:
Errrr...... So they want you to BUY another one.
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Yeah they want me to contribute 2k and will not move, my bike on the private market is worth 11.5k (dealer is asking £12.750) 11.5 + 2k = £13500 total value from myself, new gs is £14080 so there giving me a discount of £580 but there not i tel called a couple of dealers and was able to get min £600 disc off for a cash deal so in essence i could purchase a new one for £13480 cash, so there's no goodwill gesture from BMW there just trying to have my pants down.

You'd think loyalty works both ways i buy BMW (several) have the same dealer do my servicing and that is somewhat 80 mile round trip, they ask me not to disclose the registration number on this forum regarding my first bike no doubt in case of repercussions ! Did they disclose all its history to the new purchaser ! would you buy a bike that had been binned due to a steering-frame fault and had to have a new frame, new rear subframe as panniers did not fit - clutch - final drive boots etc etc so the bike went from being built in a factory to than being a workshop built bike and sold for top dollar.

I honoured there requests, for them to piss on my bonfire thats loyalty.
 
Troppo said:
Is there some misunderstanding here?

Go and read my post again....why is my bike a sow's ear?

Have you ridden my bike?

No.

So, how can you draw such a sweeping conclusion?

I'm mystified...
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As people age some of them struggle with change - I agree with you the LC is a damn fine bike and to get the very best out of it one has to adapt (like any bike) - some people are not so adaptable so resort to blaming the machine rather themselves.
 
Why do some of the 1150 luddites spend so much time in the watercooled section? You'd think they would be helping out in the 1150 section given the issues that are reported over there.:D
 
Looks like I've opened a can of worms here. Thanks to all who replied to my original post re dragging clutch. I, like many others love the bike, it's my first GS, traded in a lovely 10 plate RT for the GS. The RT was nice to ride, the GS is fun to ride. I may make a nuisance of myself with the dealer re clutch though.
 
Troppo said:
Is there some misunderstanding here?

Go and read my post again....why is my bike a sow's ear?

Have you ridden my bike?

No.

So, how can you draw such a sweeping conclusion?

I'm mystified...
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Its been a tradition on this site for years to knock the latest models. The 1200 riders suffered for years and are now dishing it out by the spadeful. Don't whinge about it! give him some shit back!!
 
Troppo said:
Is there some misunderstanding here?

Go and read my post again....why is my bike a sow's ear?

Have you ridden my bike?

No.

So, how can you draw such a sweeping conclusion?

I'm mystified...
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Troppo,you stated that smooth changes are a matter of technique,I don't dispute that you may have a dam fine gearbox on your bike,but not all have a dam fine gearbox and no matter what technique is used it does not improve the change.

It was these gearboxes I was referring to as a sows ear and not your bike in particular.

Please believe me until you have had one with a naff gearbox you can't believe how bad it is. I've had at least 25 boxer twins, some with fairly average gearboxes and some with knife through butter changes,but nothing like the wc gearbox I had which was truly awful.

I did ride several other wc bikes and thought that for a premium brand none of them had a great gearbox except the very first one I rode as a demo, whose gearbox was as good as the twin cam gearbox that I P/X'd for the WC.

As I've stated before it would appear that if you have your bike on a PCP bmw will do everything to sort it out as the bike still belongs to them,if you pay for your bike as I did they're not so keen to help.

Steve
 
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