Cymarcbikebits Pannier Stabilisers

I was so hoping to open this thread and see a pair of panniers with wheels fitted :D
 
Back from my long trip.
The Pannier Stabiliser works EXTREMELY well. I had a very heavy load in both panniers and the stabiliser took the entire wobble out of the mounting system. Obviously the length had to be adjusted and then all was well. Also a good point, it does not look "in your face" when the panniers are off.

Thank you for such a professional service.

Many thanks
Robert Belfield
Devon

I am in no way connected with Mark Hooton of http://www.cymarcbikeparts.co.uk other than a very satisfied customer.




abrasion said:
I was so hoping to open this thread and see a pair of panniers with wheels fitted :D
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HaHa :aidan
 
I have mentioned this in Mark's thread but didn't want to look like I was just being negative so didn't pursue it............BUT.............I have to ask, why :nenau

This has to be a solution looking for a problem :nenau

So what if the panniers wobble around a little (can't say I've ever noticed though) :nenau

I've done a fair few miles now, fully loaded two up, off piste loosing count of the times I've dropped the bike and thrown a bike with Varios down the road at 70 plus with the pannier taking the full impact (and saving the bike). Despite that, all mountings are still in place and doing their job :thumb2

What happens when you drop the bike in a low speed spill :nenau Will the main mounting now break beacuse there is no flexability to take up the impact :nenau Or will all the force be taken up by the 'stabiliser' bar and punch a hole through the back of the plastic pannier :nenau


Please, enlighten me :)

Andres
 
Outtomunch said:
I have mentioned this in Mark's thread but didn't want to look like I was just being negative so didn't pursue it............BUT.............I have to ask, why :nenau

This has to be a solution looking for a problem :nenau

So what if the panniers wobble around a little (can't say I've ever noticed though) :nenau

I've done a fair few miles now, fully loaded two up, off piste loosing count of the times I've dropped the bike and thrown a bike with Varios down the road at 70 plus with the pannier taking the full impact (and saving the bike). Despite that, all mountings are still in place and doing their job :thumb2

What happens when you drop the bike in a low speed spill :nenau Will the main mounting now break beacuse there is no flexability to take up the impact :nenau Or will all the force be taken up by the 'stabiliser' bar and punch a hole through the back of the plastic pannier :nenau


Please, enlighten me :)

Andres
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I have to agree with this, Ive done many thousands of miles in windy weather and on bouncy roads and not felt threatened by (or noticed) a bit of wobble on my panniers!

Isnt it the wobble in airplane wings that stops them snapping??
 
As the pannier is only attached at the top, this will cause the pannier to try and swing inwards. At the front of the pannier BM have added 2 rubber bump stops + catch to counteract this moment.
Since I was carrying a very heavy load I found that the panniers did not feel securely attached. I also use the soft cases that are carried on top of the panniers which increases this moment.
Hence this produce, which makes the pannier mounting more stable.
It works well for me.
 
I've seen something very similar on the Triumph Tiger 800 OEM pannier kit, and my R80GS airhead pannier rack has a rigid tiebar at the back -
So does the rack on me GSA
The Givi pannier rack on me Fazer 1000 also has a bar (even have to relocate the indicators to fit it)

So that's 3 manufacturers on 4 bikes - must be something in it ;)

And if I recall correctly, Mark Hooton made his version at someone's request.
 
sidestand said:
I've seen something very similar on the Triumph Tiger 800 OEM pannier kit, and my R80GS airhead pannier rack has a rigid tiebar at the back -
So does the rack on me GSA
The Givi pannier rack on me Fazer 1000 also has a bar (even have to relocate the indicators to fit it)

So that's 3 manufacturers on 4 bikes - must be something in it ;)

And if I recall correctly, Mark Hooton made his version at someone's request.
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Just to be clear, this isn't a dig at Mark, he makes some real quality kit :thumb2

The thing is the 1200 does not have a pannier 'rack' to which the panniers are attached so most of the examples above do not count.

Something in it :nenau Mmmmm............WMB don't seem to think so :nenau

Like I said in my original post, if the panniers can stand the sort of abuse shown below time after time, be frequently overloaded blah blah blah and still the mounts and panniers are in one piece why would I need a stabaliser/tie bar :nenau

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Andres
 
I've got to agree, I also think that Mark supplies some excellent products.

I'm also not too sure about these stabilisers, in fact I recently read a review, but can't remember which bike, that promoted the idea of the panniers being able to flex and aid the lean into corners.

I've covered quite a few miles two up with heavily loaded luggage and have had no handling issues without a stabiliser fitted, isn't it a bit like a pillion who knows how to lean into a corner with you ?
 
Thanks but.................

Thanks for all the kind words guys but in sincere honesty I have no idea if it is of benefit not :bounce1

I am very happy to have made something for someone and they seem thankfully very pleased with it - I`ve been out and tested it myself and it seemed to work for me but with that said I`ve ridden all around France without one!

So, and to always be fair to all parties, its great that we can discuss and share our opinions in such a respectful environment but IMHO I simply think it works for some people and not for others!

:clap
 
Outtomunch said:
I have mentioned this in Mark's thread but didn't want to look like I was just being negative so didn't pursue it............BUT.............I have to ask, why :nenau

This has to be a solution looking for a problem :nenau

So what if the panniers wobble around a little (can't say I've ever noticed though) :nenau

I've done a fair few miles now, fully loaded two up, off piste loosing count of the times I've dropped the bike and thrown a bike with Varios down the road at 70 plus with the pannier taking the full impact (and saving the bike). Despite that, all mountings are still in place and doing their job :thumb2

What happens when you drop the bike in a low speed spill :nenau Will the main mounting now break beacuse there is no flexability to take up the impact :nenau Or will all the force be taken up by the 'stabiliser' bar and punch a hole through the back of the plastic pannier :nenau


Please, enlighten me :)

Andres
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Andres
Have a look here at what happened to my Vario:

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235134

Had a minor impact, no obvious damage but some time later (admittedly with a heavily loaded pannier), half its contents were destroyed...it took a while for me to detect the burning smell...and even longer to clean up my exhaust. Oh joy.

Googled it and it does seem to happen from time to time: the brace thing would definitely have helped. When I checked with BMW (if I recall correctly), I was told you have to ensure there is a minimum of 25mm gap between loaded pannier and exhaust to allow for "flapping". Tried it with a mate's bike (completely undamaged) and it was very marginal with a full pannier, even after playing with adjustment. It would be interesting to check whether there's still 25mm gap on your bike after the spill. The vario bracket (despite being rigid plastic) seems capable of deforming short of cracking.

I'd be tempted to allow the panniers to flap a bit as designed but use a brace to prevent contact with exhaust. I now use Alu panniers and I love 'em, by the way.
 
E. Buygum said:
Andres
Have a look here at what happened to my Vario:

http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=235134

Had a minor impact, no obvious damage but some time later (admittedly with a heavily loaded pannier), half its contents were destroyed...it took a while for me to detect the burning smell...and even longer to clean up my exhaust. Oh joy.

Googled it and it does seem to happen from time to time: the brace thing would definitely have helped. When I checked with BMW (if I recall correctly), I was told you have to ensure there is a minimum of 25mm gap between loaded pannier and exhaust to allow for "flapping". Tried it with a mate's bike (completely undamaged) and it was very marginal with a full pannier, even after playing with adjustment. It would be interesting to check whether there's still 25mm gap on your bike after the spill. The vario bracket (despite being rigid plastic) seems capable of deforming short of cracking.

I'd be tempted to allow the panniers to flap a bit as designed but use a brace to prevent contact with exhaust. I now use Alu panniers and I love 'em, by the way.
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wow, scary photo :eek: - I am using a brace from now on
 
Mark Hooton said:
wow, scary photo :eek: - I am using a brace from now on
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Mark, bet you're not as scared as I was when I pulled into a lay-by to find the pannier holding a litre of oil was smouldering away nicely :D. As I mentioned in my earlier post, if it hadn't been for the (destroyed) stash panel acting as a firewall, it could have been a lot worse. The circumstances were perhaps a little out of the ordinary: I had ridden from Turkey into France in 2 days, heavily laden in temperatures up to 40deg C. Taking the load out of the offending pannier and use of long cable ties got it home safely (I could have ditched it but I wanted to see what the dealer thought of it).
 
Yeah I bet

Yeah I bet mate - kinda makes it more of an adventure I guess but yes I can imagine your surprise.

Well, unless you tell me otherwise, I remain pleased that you didn`t get hurt!

:beerjug:
 
swissrob said:
the triumph pannier brace is not rigid - its designed to slide so the panniers can tilt/swing when going around bends
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I noticed this at Motorcycle Live and spoke to Triumph about it. They think it aids cornering stability. I said I'd never felt unstable on my GSA but they only said that they wouldn't do it if it wasn't necessary :confused:
 
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