Does Basecamp overwrite Mapsource? Urgent help needed

[Bumpkin]

Not sure

Because map updates (including the nuMaps Lifetime subscription) do not require registration, they may still be accessed if the device is sold or given away.

Yet to see this 'in the flesh' as have never sold a Garmin with a Lifetime sub. The Ts&Cs seem to infer that it shouldn't transfer. Of course, if the only device you have on your myGarmin account is the one being sold then maybe changing the email address and other personal details and then hand the account over when you sell the GPS would possibly work :dunno:

Lifetime updates can be accessed outside of myGarmin by connecting the device to a computer and visiting the map update page on Garmin's website: http://www.garmin.com/mapupdates

Again, don't know if that would work with a new myGarmin registration, probably not. No change of ownership in Garmin's eyes, i.e. still registered to former owner and it could work...

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[Mick-B]

Just recently bought a pre-owned Zumo 660 (from a UKGSER subscriber) and can confirm that the Lifetime update successfully transfered with the device once I had registered the device to my own Garmin account - no hassle whatsoever. Previous owner simply had to de-register it from their account. Simples.

 

[Tinytim]

Have managed to download BC to my Notebook now and updated the mapping on Mapsource to NT2013.3, haven't managed to update the mapping on the 660 though as there is not roSD card, enough space on the unit or on the micro sd card probably cos I've filled it up with tunes for the MP3 player; so it looks like an investment in a bigger card to accomodate the upgrade. I noticed that there is also a 2014 version of the mapping available for £49, has anybody done that, is it worth it?

Anybody recommend any sites for purchasing microSD cards?

Dunno about the 660, but I have been through a hell of a lot of phone time, pain and grief with Garmin Support these past 6 , yes fekkin 6 weeks, trying to get my maps downloaded to my PC on Basecamp and my Zumo 550.
Finally, today, I was asked for the first time what size SD card I had in the 550? "Why, a mere 16gb " says I " full of music, should I delete some?" "no, no" says he.."take the fekka out, it's too big ( phnnaar phnaaarr.....I haven't been spoken to like that since I was a young Adonis) "The unit will only function ( for map loading) with an SD card no bigger than 4gb.".

So, SD card out and maps of UK and Ireland downloaded fine..THEN I can put the big card in and have my music on.

I'm sure Basecamp is brilliant but fekked if I'm clever enough to find out.

 

[Bumpkin]

Dunno about the 660, but I have been through a hell of a lot of phone time, pain and grief with Garmin Support these past 6 , yes fekkin 6 weeks, trying to get my maps downloaded to my PC on Basecamp and my Zumo 550.
Finally, today, I was asked for the first time what size SD card I had in the 550? "Why, a mere 16gb " says I " full of music, should I delete some?" "no, no" says he.."take the fekka out, it's too big ( phnnaar phnaaarr.....I haven't been spoken to like that since I was a young Adonis) "The unit will only function ( for map loading) with an SD card no bigger than 4gb.".

So, SD card out and maps of UK and Ireland downloaded fine..THEN I can put the big card in and have my music on.

I'm sure Basecamp is brilliant but fekked if I'm clever enough to find out.

Regrettably the maps now live on the SD card so you will be faced with either mapping or music with a card swap to change.

Of course if there's space on the card then you could transfer the new mapping across from the 4GB card to the 16GB. You'd need two card readers or transfer to PC and back onto the other card. Doing this via USB to the 550 will be painfully slow as the 550 is USB1. Sounds to me like your internal memory and SD card need a good spring clean, a bit involved that is though and if you're not careful you could wind up with a paperweight instead of a GPS. Maybe not a task for you given you admission as a techno numpty.

If you have the mapping on your PC you could use MapInstall, this takes your PC mapping and loads it onto your SD card or sat nav. If, for example, you only ride in UK, France and Spain you can select mapping for just those countries saving a shed load of space which would enable you to use the internal memory of the 550 yet again. Bear in mind that this would need to be done via USB and as a result be dog slow.

EDIT: OK, I've got it, you've done as above and put just UK and Ireland on the internal memory.

 

[Tinytim]

Regrettably the maps now live on the SD card so you will be faced with either mapping or music with a card swap to change.

Of course if there's space on the card then you could transfer the new mapping across from the 4GB card to the 16GB. You'd need two card readers or transfer to PC and back onto the other card. Doing this via USB to the 550 will be painfully slow as the 550 is USB1. Sounds to me like your internal memory and SD card need a good spring clean, a bit involved that is though and if you're not careful you could wind up with a paperweight instead of a GPS. Maybe not a task for you given you admission as a techno numpty.

If you have the mapping on your PC you could use MapInstall, this takes your PC mapping and loads it onto your SD card or sat nav. If, for example, you only ride in UK, France and Spain you can select mapping for just those countries saving a shed load of space which would enable you to use the internal memory of the 550 yet again. Bear in mind that this would need to be done via USB and as a result be dog slow.

EDIT: OK, I've got it, you've done as above and put just UK and Ireland on the internal memory.

Cheers for that ta .

I'm sure there must be many, many techno numpties like myself who have said fook it and their Devices are now languishing in a drawer in the cupboard. But for Garmin Support, mine would have been the same. Not really off the shelf user friendly for us plebs though is it !

Now I have the maps loaded and feel like a dog with two dicks, I have tried to create a simple route tonight. All good and well until I try and save it..Oh we don't do save anymore do we..it's export now isn't it? Well, so far I have failed as I can't open gpx files ( computer says NO) or gdb(gbd?) files from my Mapsource days. off for a lie down and another try tomorrow

 

[Bumpkin]

I'm sure there must be many, many techno numpties like myself who have said fook it and their Devices are now languishing in a drawer in the cupboard. But for Garmin Support, mine would have been the same. Not really off the shelf user friendly for us plebs though is it !

It wouldn;t be so much fun if it were easy. would it

Now I have the maps loaded and feel like a dog with two dicks, I have tried to create a simple route tonight. All good and well until I try and save it..Oh we don't do save anymore do we..it's export now isn't it? Well, so far I have failed as I can't open gpx files ( computer says NO) or gdb(gbd?) files from my Mapsource days. off for a lie down and another try tomorrow

You're half way there, just haven't corrected the dots. It's no longer 'Open', it's 'Import'.

As to transferring/exporting/saving routes to your GPS, there are a few ways to do this within Basecamp. There is a method you maybe familiar with if your are a Mapsource user, this is 'Send to Device'. Maybe not on your menu bar so right click a spare area of the same and select 'Device Transfer' from the options. Two new icons should appear, one being 'Send to Device' the other 'Retrieve from Device'. To send you need to have your route, or it's containing list or folder, selected.

I'm working on the assumption that you're on a PC rather than a Mac, if the latter it might be different.

 

[Tinytim]

Thanks Bumpkin. yes, I am on Windose.

i'll try those tips thanks. but at the mo I aint got as ambitious as trying to transfer owt to the Zumo. My problem is saving the fekkin route I've just done , which it saves in gpx but when I try and open that file from ym Garmin routes file it tells me to piss off as Windose doesn't recognise that format.

Also, ( I'm on a roll sorry)....when I've made a route...how the fekk do I get it to disappear off my maps without deleting it and all its contents from Basecamp itself. if I don't delete it, every time I create a route , all the other previous routes are showing on my map.





I have downloaded mapsource from CNET Downloads this morning and my updated maps from the other day, have automatically loaded up onto Mapsource hip hip hoofookinray.

I promise not to use it if I keep getting help here off you good folk.

Thanks.

Be patient with me, I used to be a nuclear physicist.

 

[Bumpkin]

My problem is saving the fekkin route I've just done , which it saves in gpx but when I try and open that file from ym Garmin routes file it tells me to piss off as Windose doesn't recognise that format.

The trouble is that Basecamp is a database orientated program, it doesn't really do files as such, only on import/export so file associations don't really work with it. Though, TBH, I haven't really tried.

Also, ( I'm on a roll sorry)....when I've made a route...how the fekk do I get it to disappear off my maps without deleting it and all its contents from Basecamp itself. if I don't delete it, every time I create a route , all the other previous routes are showing on my map.

This is where the database bit comes in. You don't get rid of routes or way-points you've created, they're always there, ready to use either in part or components thereof (such as POIs you've created for a specific trip etc.). However, if you organise the structure of the left column into folders and what Garmin call lists you can start to see the sense in what they've done. If you look at the screen grab I did in my last post you'll see that I've created folders. I've expanded on that below (sorry about the tall graphic) and you can see that I've created folders for various trips and also ones for just day routes for each year. Within these folders are lists I've created. It's these lists that contain the routes and way-points etc. for the trip. You can copy routes, way-points etc. from other lists, this creates a connected copy rather than a duplicate so change one and the original changes as well. You can also duplicate items instead if you want an autonomous version.

If you select a list you will see all items on the map that that list contains, do the same with a folder containing a number of lists and you see everything in those lists on the map. Click on My Collection at the top and you see everything and it's a mess... I suspect that's what you're doing so I suggest that you set-up some folders and lists.

The panel below shows items in the selected list or folder by title and icon. You can filter these by the controls at the bottom to just see routes, way-points etc. The map will still display everything in the selected folder/list regardless.

It does take some acclimatisation but once you've got to grips with it I'm confident that you'll stick with it.

I have downloaded mapsource from CNET Downloads this morning and my updated maps from the other day, have automatically loaded up onto Mapsource hip hip hoofookinray.

I promise not to use it if I keep getting help here off you good folk.

Mapsource can occasionally be useful but I haven't touched it for a few months now.

 

[Tinytim]

Ta very much again . Appreciate your time and effort spent.

I'll reread and play about with the above tips later on...just going for a bit of a lie down first.

 

[russ996duke]

been looking into this as have now had to swap over to basecamp. reading the helpful posts from bumpkin got me trying to work out how to transfer some of my mapsource day routes across. It seems to me that I can creat a filing system of trip folders each containing a file (list) of routes, then import the old mapsource routes into a list within a folder, each list being a "days" route. If I am right it looks like the only way i can do this is to copy each route across individualy, as if all the nroutes are copied acorss (sorry imported), then I cant then split them into individual routes as I used to do on mapsource, as I would like to be able to work on each day route without the screen being cluttered by all the other routes.............???????????????????????

would not be surprised if this wont work or produce the result I hope for..............................any input gratefully received on this!

 

[JoeBiff]

Russ996duke - so long as you manage to import the files/tracks successfully into BC, you can then chop/edit (or rebuild a route) and then rename it. As bumpkins says, BC is simply a database-orientated prog.

 

[russ996duke]

Russ996duke - so long as you manage to import the files/tracks successfully into BC, you can then chop/edit (or rebuild a route) and then rename it. As bumpkins says, BC is simply a database-orientated prog.

ok good, will now sit down and work out how chop the routes up into days........................ta

 

[Bumpkin]

You should be planning routes as days, or even half days, anyway. No matter if in Basecamp, Mapsource or any other route plotting software. This makes route management on the GPS easier and any recalc that the device has to do will be faster.

Organise your collection as it suits you. I find that having a folder for a particular trip is handy, you can then have lists for different versions that you might run up during the planning stage, collections of POIs that you might use etc. Each list, when selected, shows only it's content on screen and in the assets pane at bottom left. You can cut and paste elements from other lists and folders, into the list that you're using, as you need them. These will be copies of data you've copied from so any change to the original will be reflected. You can also copy and paste elements and make then autonomous as well if you so wish.

Basecamp is more flexible as a planning tool, especially if you want to call on data from other trips.

 

[Bumpkin]

As to importing past routes, by all means import them into folders and lists. As to the need to split routes into days... I would only bother if you're going to be using them again. Can't recall right now if Basecamp can effectively split a route, I would be tempted to trace over it, doesn't take long.

 

[russ996duke]

You should be planning routes as days, or even half days, anyway. No matter if in Basecamp, Mapsource or any other route plotting software. This makes route management on the GPS easier and any recalc that the device has to do will be faster.

Organise your collection as it suits you. I find that having a folder for a particular trip is handy, you can then have lists for different versions that you might run up during the planning stage, collections of POIs that you might use etc. Each list, when selected, shows only it's content on screen and in the assets pane at bottom left. You can cut and paste elements from other lists and folders, into the list that you're using, as you need them. These will be copies of data you've copied from so any change to the original will be reflected. You can also copy and paste elements and make then autonomous as well if you so wish.

Basecamp is more flexible as a planning tool, especially if you want to call on data from other trips.

Oh, I see where I have misled you, the routes were created in mapsource, each day being an individual route, however i saved them as one file ready to drop into zumo 660. it is this file that I copied across to my new desktop running basecamp. so what I have on the map screen of europe is all the routes. what I need to establish is how to separate out the routes into what i think are "list" items. I guess I will have to go back to mapsource and copy them across again one by one.
the reason I want them in basecamp is so when on the tour I can carry them in my other new toy, a windows tablet!!

also to start learning how basecamp works............back to school after years of mapsource fun..............

 

[Bumpkin]

Oh, I see where I have misled you, the routes were created in mapsource, each day being an individual route, however i saved them as one file ready to drop into zumo 660. it is this file that I copied across to my new desktop running basecamp. so what I have on the map screen of europe is all the routes. what I need to establish is how to separate out the routes into what i think are "list" items. I guess I will have to go back to mapsource and copy them across again one by one.
the reason I want them in basecamp is so when on the tour I can carry them in my other new toy, a windows tablet!!

Oh, OK. In that case it's not too much of a task. Currently the routes sound like they are in the root of your collection. You need to create folders in your required structure. I have folders for years and other folders and lists within for specific rideouts, trips or weekends away. I also have a list for each year just titled 'day routes' for those impromptu rides. You might want to arrange things differently... Once you have your folder structure you need to move the relevant routes to their intended locations. Copy and paste, IIRC, will duplicate which is what you don't ideally want at this stage. Look at the routes in the lower left pane, right click one and see what the options are. Not near a PC until tonight but I'm pretty sure that there's an option to move rather than copy...

It'll take a while to sort and you might be better off going back to Mapsource and exporting each trip/tour that you want in each folder as a separate GPX or GDB file. You can then import directly into the location of your choosing. Harking back; I used to store my routes as files in a similar way, one file for each trip, when using Mapsource anyway so my import 'journey' was an easy one.

 

[paul08]

At the risk of being shot down in flames, I don't think that last piece of advice from Bumpkin is correct.

btw, I run Basecamp on a mac.

As mentioned before, BC stores routes as a database. As such, it only stores one copy of any route. Let me explain, and I am willing to be proved wrong!

All your routes etc are shown listed on the lefthandside of the BC window. Mine are shown in the top half of that lefthand window in a box called "On my computer" in a folder called "My collection". i.e. if you click on "My collection" it shows all of the waypoints and routes that I have created in the lower half of the window.

In my BC, within 'My Collection" the first two folders are titled "Last week" and "last month".

Below that, I have created a whole range of other sub-folders in "My collection" to help me manage my routes and find/identify the routes that I may be looking for. So I have sub-folders that list routes I have obtained from 'Wapping', from Ride magazine, etc etc. I also have folders based on country and on region. You could also have sub-folders based on particular trips etc.

Then, once I have creted the sub-folders I want/need to manage the myriad routes etc, all I do is click on 'My Collection" to show the long list of all my routes. I then drag the route I want from the lower window onto the sub-folder name i want it to sit in in the upper window.

But the chosen route can sit in as many sub-folders as you want. The actual route is only once on your computer, as all that sits in these "My Collection" sub-folders is a link to the route. Thus, once you have done all your housekeeping and have everything in folders, a chosen route may appear in any number of sub-folders. However, if you open that route from one of your sub-folders and make changes, then those changes will be made to that route in all your other sub-folders. if you want to make changes to a route in one sub-folder, but not to any of those 'sitting' in other sub-folders, then you need to make a copy of the route and make the changes to the copy.

I am not sure that I have explained that very well, but hopefully you will get my gist. or someone can explain it better or, indeed, tell me that I am totally mistaken.

But my understanding is that this is the way that BC works. I will now duck down below the parapet

 

[russ996duke]

Thank you to both paul08 and bumpkin, by concatenating their advice, I have set up a file structure (bumpkin) and found what seems to be a straightforward way to separate the day routes into individual "list" files (paul08).
when I say it seems an easy way, as a long term user of mapsource, my gut feeling tells me not to count chickens too early, but when I have had a chance to spend more time on this, I will report back!!

once again, ukgsers delivers!!!