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[EVskiy]

On my 1290 it only stays on for 5 secs on the BMW 1250 it stays on until I pull away much better anyone know if you can increase the time on the KTM

Yes, BMW system is much more helpfull, On my 1290 I just turned HHC off and reverted to good old fasioned 1st gear and kill the motor. never had issues that way, I do same when I park up on a say mountain pass for some scenic views and pictures. No risk of bike rolling off.

KTM version of HHC is a bit like what you find in a car, it will hold you for 5 seconds for you to have enough time to sort out you shit and get the clutch bite point. I am more than capable to do hill starts without the hill hold. It is however usefull as a "handbrake" feature for prolonged waiting at the lights/junctions that are up on the hill withouth holding onto the brake lever or hanging of the foot brake. KTM seem to have missed the trick on that one.

 

[Byronavitch]

Cheers thanks for that I like the idea that you can sit on a hill hands off the Bmw until you pull away definitely ktm slipped up there


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[littleade]

Is it just me then?

I've found it quite useful at times

That'll be 2 of us then, though mine's manual as I've got last years 1200. I use it quite a bit when I'm sat at traffic lights on either up or downslopes. snick it into neutral just before I stop, right foot down and hill hold engaged. Time to go just put it into 1st, clutch up to the biting point then disable HH and away I go. Much smoother then messing about with the Hendon shuffle

 

[Nutty]

On my 1290 it only stays on for 5 secs on the BMW 1250 it stays on until I pull away much better anyone know if you can increase the time on the KTM

Yep, the dealer can program it to stay on for longer. If you’re going to stop for a while, why not just turn the engine off?

 

[Byronavitch]

I can but say you come to a set of lights on a steep hill cars in front and behind on my 1250 pull the lever job done traffic moves off I’m away
Ktm same scenario pull lever 5 secs later it releases still sitting on hill in traffic
However if you can extend the time it holds jobs a gud un


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[EVskiy]

Ktm same scenario pull lever 5 secs later it releases still sitting on hill in traffic

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But it would hold you on a downhill only uphill and 5 seconds is buggerall for a feature that cost mega bucks to simply activate via the computer program. Had I know this at the time of purchase, I would've skipped that option.
Even by increasing the holding time, it is still not a "handbrake" like BMW, because once in neutral, the system can not be activated. Bike must be in gear and you holding clutch in and keep front brake pressed. So it is shit regardless of how long it is active for.

if KTM would sort it out and let it work in neutral and hold bike indefinitely by having to mash front brake lever, rather than system automatically detecting if you are rolling back and activate when you perhaps do not need it (just like my situation) and simply covering brakes to maintain steady manoeuvring.

 

[squibb34]

Easily done; best forgotten.

My last was when I was doing a low speed full lock u-turn 2-up. Almost through the turn, I went to pick up the throttle to drive away, the motor stumbled (probably a bit cold) & suddenly we get spat off stage right when I can't hold her up against such sudden weight transfer. Felt a right twat, but I guess we have all been there at some stage of our riding career. Luckily only mirror & a graze on the fairing side, so easily fixed. Pride ... takes a bit longer.
Still, could be worse, like watching your bike get blown over, or roll forward off the side stand & wreck itself without rider intervention - now that's really annoying.

 

[beaver]

I've had instances in the past where I've stoped on a hill.. left enough room to pull around the car in front, only to find they slip back and can't get going..getting ever closer !... So I've had to go backwards myself and then round them.
Does this prevent you doing this without a lot of button pressing?.. once instance was a wagon!!

Obviously dont have it on my bike but could retro fit it...

 

[EVskiy]

......So I've had to go backwards myself and then round them.
Does this prevent you doing this without a lot of button pressing?.....

On BMW, just ligtly squize front brake to release Hill Hold and you can roll back, but only in Manual mode not Auto. If logic tells me correctly. I rather have controll over such system instead of it doing things automatically when you least expect it.

On KTM, system is automatic to the respect of slightest hind of brake aplication (only on uphill incline) and system goes live for 5 seconds from default, then releases brakes untill you apply any preasure on the brakes.

 

[Davey B]

Not a dig at the OP.
We've all dropped a bike but I do wonder why so many riders will spend time and money improving their 'track skills' that they'll seldom really use on the road but fail to do anything at all regarding very slow speed manoeuvering (watch folk on ferries with both feet on the deck jabbing at the front brake and wondering why they feel to be battling the bike to stay upright)

 

[Tarka]

Proof yet again that all these fucking stupid gadgets and gizmos need fucking off.

 

[EVskiy]

Not a dig at the OP.
We've all dropped a bike but I do wonder why so many riders will spend time and money improving their 'track skills' that they'll seldom really use on the road but fail to do anything at all regarding very slow speed manoeuvering (watch folk on ferries with both feet on the deck jabbing at the front brake and wondering why they feel to be battling the bike to stay upright)

Which brings me into a subject of reports where people say their rear pads do wear to fast and others say that they “hardly use rear brake as it is all linked”.
The rear brake is there to aid one with slow manoeuvring not just to slow down the bike from speed

I personally use rear brake in any slow manoeuvring situation, be it slippery surfaces like ferry/train floor, filtering in traffic, going round the mini roundabouts, the situations are endless.

 

[knutk]

Proof yet again that all these fucking stupid gadgets and gizmos need fucking off.

No Sir. The gadget and gizmos are not stupid. The riders that buy a system and failing to learn what they bought are the stupid ones.


That said, I used the word stupid in the sense of playing with the words. I don't actually in any way consider either the OP or anyone else as stupid.

My point is, whatever system you buy, it needs to be learned how to operate it. The debated Hill Hold is a system that many riders find quite useful when used as intended.

 

[EVskiy]

No Sir. The gadget and gizmos are not stupid. The riders that buy a system and failing to learn what they bought are the stupid ones.


That said, I used the word stupid in the sense of playing with the words. I don't actually in any way consider either the OP or anyone else as stupid.

My point is, whatever system you buy, it needs to be learned how to operate it. The debated Hill Hold is a system that many riders find quite useful when used as intended.

But what if the system engages of its own accord? You clearly haven’t had a go on KTM 1290 Super Adventure with system fitted.
One thing you have it and you know how it works, another thing is having it, knowing and understanding how it works but the stupid thing has mind of its own.


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[beaver]

Which brings me into a subject of reports where people say their rear pads do wear to fast and others say that they “hardly use rear brake as it is all linked”.
The rear brake is there to aid one with slow manoeuvring not just to slow down the bike from speed

I personally use rear brake in any slow manoeuvring situation, be it slippery surfaces like ferry/train floor, filtering in traffic, going round the mini roundabouts, the situations are endless.

Indeed, I always pull against the rear brake when going slow.. gives you a lot more control.

 

[knutk]

But what if the system engages of its own accord? You clearly haven’t had a go on KTM 1290 Super Adventure with system fitted.
One thing you have it and you know how it works, another thing is having it, knowing and understanding how it works but the stupid thing has mind of its own.


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Well Sir, then I would say that you are being screwed :

 

[EVskiy]

Well Sir, then I would say that you are screwed :

I’m not screwed!
I just turned the flippant thing off and use my bike the way bikes have been used for generations before the electronics took over the world.


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[Traffic893]

my bike doesn't have this feature , but i've dropped it at a standstill ? do you always have to put the side stand out when you get off ?

HTH.

Only if you have left the side car off.

 

[wheelnut]

Talking of gadgets and gizmos I’ve just a new A class that has a lane deviation warning. It not only gives a wobble of the wheel, it puts the brakes on the side that’s crossing the line.

Scares the shit out of you. You can switch it off but it switches itself back on when the ignition cycles.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Talking of gadgets and gizmos I’ve just a new A class that has a lane deviation warning. It not only gives a wobble of the wheel, it puts the brakes on the side that’s crossing the line.

Scares the shit out of you. You can switch it off but it switches itself back on when the ignition cycles.

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