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Have to take the decision by the 22nd - BMW price on my 2012 bike is £321.42. Question is , do I do it and if so with whom?

Never had an extended warranty on anything for many many years - since colour TVs first came out to be honest. And yes, I am that old! :rob And the current bike seems like a good one. But I have been a bit un nerved by having bevel box problems on my previous 2008 bike and whats more finding bevel box problems on an RT in a dealers with 2k miles on the clock and from 2011.

Reasonably well off so it wouldnt be a personal disaster if the bike had problems and I had to pay. So the decision really is whether the cheapest way forward is to pay £321 per annum or to pay repair bills. The fact that the BMW warranty is a profit making operation suggests that ion average its cheaper to pay the bills. What do you reckon?
 
Perhaps you could set up a savings account, and save up the money that you would normally spend on the extended warranty each year until you sell the bike. Probably the best answer to your dilemma.
 
The fact that the BMW warranty is a profit making operation suggests that ion average its cheaper to pay the bills. What do you reckon?

I reckon:

1. Profit making. So is the company that provides your pension, your employer (unless you work(ed) for a charity, some weird mutual or the public sector of government) and, bizarrely enough, as is the company who manufactured your awesome steed. Don't let that quality of the western world's capitalist system cloud your judgement too much.

2. To buy or not to buy? If you can afford to go uninsured, do it. If you can't or don't want to, don't.

3. To help you to toss your coin:

Roughly 0.80p a day for indemnity against an insured event, repaired at an authorised BMW dealership with genuine parts, at a time and date (near enough) to your convenience, plus Europe recovery...... Plus a ton, for the excess.

By way of comparison:

A copy of the Sun is 0.60p

A pint of beer is about £3:80

20 cigarettes is a shade under £8

4. What else? The BMW branded extended warranty is reasonably broad in its cover, adding in the extra benefit of very good (compared with many) European recovery, too.

Insurance of this type, is not a gilt edged investment; if nothing goes wrong, then it returns absolutely zero. If something serious does happen, then it may well return in spades.

It's also a partial fallacy that you can pay three hundred (the equivalent of the annual premium) into a bank account each year and obtain the same result. OK, it works if nothing significant happens; but if your final drive fails on day two, you'll be stumping up more, say £600 for a big job. So, you'll have to bring forward the three hundred pounds you had earmarked for next year into this year and still have to pay £300 into your bank account next year, assuming you still own the motorcycle... Oh, and if you are truly wise, you'll need to add in three hundred again in the first year, in case you have a second calamity after the first.

Your implied proposition is that you only insure what you cannot afford to pay for in full out of liquid cash.

If so, let's take an example of £600 in cash available and if you are reasonably sure nothing else will go wrong and/ or that you will not suddenly have to spend the £600 on a new front door or replacing the ignition system on your car... Or if it do, that you can cover two £600 eventualities... Then indeed going self-insured makes excellent sense.

If you are less certain that you can make a £600 cash call to repair your motorcycle and still have funds to go on your holiday on your motorcycle, then extended warranty may well just become your very best friend.

6. To summarise. You pays yer money, you takes yer choice. There is no absolute right or wrong definitive answer. Only time and your wallet will tell you whether what you (not another fellow) decided to do was right.

For what it's worth, I had excellent value out of mine, more than once. Recovery in France, a new final drive, a new radiator... And probably a bit more. I do lots of miles in a year, almost exclusively outside of the UK. The pence cost per mile for me is manageable, I'll spend near enough on fuel just on one or two decent jaunts than I will in a year of extended warranty cover.

5. Further reading... As with most questions about 'value', 'insurance', 'should I, shouldn't I' there are several (lots) of threads on the topic. None reach a definitive answer.
 
Perhaps you could set up a savings account, and save up the money that you would normally spend on the extended warranty each year until you sell the bike. Probably the best answer to your dilemma.

That's good if nothing happens and / or if you really do put the money aside and / or if you decide not to spend your nest egg on bling. Let's look at a theoretical example, based on a £1000 bill. I have used a large example not just because I can but so that it best illustrates the problem. Scale it down to £600 and it's still not brilliant for you.

Starting in January 2014, let's say you put away £20 a month into a jar, but a £1000 bill materialises in the second month, February.

You will have to stump up £980 (one thousand less the twenty from month one)

Then you will have to put away £20 a month for the remaining 10 months of the year in case you have a second claim.

After one year you will have £200 in your nest egg and will have outlaid one thousand, a net loss over the year of £800.

Let's say you continue for the next twelve months, putting £20 away each month. You would be wise to. By the end of the second year you will have £200 (from the ten months remaining in year one) plus £280 (from the 12 months of year two) = £480. This is a net loss of £520 over the two years. This also assumes you have had no further bills over the total 22 month period.

Continue into year three (and ignoring any other disasters) you will have amassed an additional £280. Your pot will now be at £800. You are still short of two hundred quid from the £1000 you outlaid 34 long months ago. So you continue into year four.... Putting £20 into the jar..... BINGO! Ten months later (we are now in October 2019) you have at last just paid yourself off for the bill from February 2014..... So now you can start again!
 
Depends on various things tbh.
If you do big miles, including European jaunts I'd go for the full warranty including breakdown cover.
If you're mechanically inept (like me) I'd go for the full warranty including breakdown cover.
If you like your bike to be worked on by main dealers using genuine parts I'd go for the full warranty including breakdown cover.
If you're 'reasonably well off' & not going to miss £330 I'd go for the full warranty including breakdown cover.
If you're risk averse I'd go for the full warranty including breakdown cover.

When my RT's warranty ran out after 2 years I went for the full warranty including breakdown cover.
When my GSA warranty runs out after 2 years I will go for the full warranty including breakdown cover.

Seriously I think a big factor in your decision has to be how capable/willing you are to fix any problems yourself, including any that need to be resolved on the hoof.
 
Interesting comments - I hadnt thought about the recovery element. Wonder if I have that in my insurance anyway. Have to check.

I reckon:

1. Profit making. So is the company that provides your pension, your employer (unless you work(ed) for a charity, some weird mutual or the public sector of government) and, bizarrely enough, as is the company who manufactured your awesome steed. Don't let that quality of the western world's capitalist system cloud your judgement too much..

The point I was making is that since BMW and their insurer both make a profit on the extended warranty, then the average cost per punter must be well below £321. But thanks for a thoughtful answer. Are fags really that expensive - gave up when they were below £2!

Depends on various things tbh.
If you do big miles, including European jaunts I'd go for the full warranty including breakdown cover.
Seriously I think a big factor in your decision has to be how capable/willing you are to fix any problems yourself, including any that need to be resolved on the hoof.
Small miles - I chose the GS for comfort not touring or off road. Half decent home mechanic so the bevel vox was Mikey boy to do the key bits and me to strip and re-assemble.
 
Small miles, DIY type, little to no Continental touring. Don't bother buying it.

It'll save you wondering what BMW and Allianz (the insurer) each make out of the deal by way of profit and then trying to undercut them. :beerjug:



PS I had to research the price of the Sun and a box of fags. The price of beer I knew, only too well :D
 
"plus £280" Where did you learn too count then ? 12x20= 240 in my world, but dont feel too bad just ask and i will correct your mistakes :comfort :eek: :augie :D


Thank you. Indeed it is. Thought you have just made the fellow's 'self-save' economics worse :D. :beerjug: For that he won't thank you.

I wonder how many of the 'Put the money in a jar' merchants ever actually do it? It's suggested so many times for so many different reasons, the world will soon be running short of glass.
 
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At reaching this point I was poised to ask what happened to pointer No.5. However, not being one to interrupt when someone is in free flow, I decided to sit it out until reaching the end of the post....

5. Further reading... As with most questions about 'value', 'insurance', 'should I, shouldn't I' there are several (lots) of threads on the topic. None reach a definitive answer.

Good heavens... you are even aware of you own cock-up but rather than trouble yourself to correct the error, in a manner that would leave no trace of evidence for this typo act of criminality, thereby preventing a pedant to come along and question the lack of focus you applied to your post, you go and slot it in at the end.

Neatly done Wapping... neatly done! :bow
 
But he's seeking advice. It's not an unknown occurrence. It's a cop out.

Indeed he is .... but his money is his, as are his policies regarding troubleshooting or a life of good luck , etc.

You have provided much for the OP to ponder but at what result? For him to decide for himself.

Would I do it? No! My circumstances are different to those of the OP. Simple as that.
Should he invest or play to chance? Not my decision to make.
 
For me it was a no brainer, I took the chance because it suited me to take the risk and I am prepared to either pay for the repair or park the bike up until I can afford it, it doesn't pay to over analyse the profitability of a portfolio when making individual decisions as you will probably get your fingers burnt.

I don't really go with the Allianz will make money on this policy (on average) camp as they (AGA) provide a host of services to BMW in the UK and in Europe so the profit for AGA in the UK will be across their UK products rather than on any individual offering as they will want to keep their client happy (and they have retained BMW breakdown business for around 20 years)

You pays your money you takes your choice.
 
I considered not taking out extended warranty last year, when the 2 year warranty was up. On the previous GS I took it out and never needed it. However, those big ticket items came to mind, along with "what if?" questions, so I chickened out and bought it. Am I glad I did, earlier this year the rear shock (ESA) went, the cost of that repair fair out-weighed the cost of the extended warranty I took out last year, the cost of renewing it this year, and the cost of the warranty I never used on my previous GS, and I reckon I'm still in profit.

Yes, if I'd not had the warranty, I could have got the shock reconditioned, and done the job myself for about the cost of one years warranty, but I gave up spannering on my own vehicles years ago when I could afford to pay someone else to do it. ;)

Plus, as others have mentioned, you get the breakdown and recovery option included. This part of the policy is excellent and is as good, and in most cases better, than others that you'd normally buy (assuming you want one), even if you don't do lots of international miles.

At the the end of the day it's just another insurance policy, there if you need it. Personally I'd rather not have to use it, I don't really want the hassle and wasted time of a breakdown, but if it does happen I know it's covered (if the T&Cs are met)
 
I think you will find that your policy price includes 'European Breakdown Cover'.

You could remove that and lower your policy cost by £100+.
 
I think you will find that your policy price includes 'European Breakdown Cover'.

You could remove that and lower your policy cost by £100+.

You can't it's integral.......................but think of it as a Brucie bonus:D
 


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