Final drive bearing or pivot bearing failure?

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On its last MOT test a few hundred miles ago the tester mentioned that my 850GS has slight play in the rear wheel. The bike has done about 22,500 miles from new (all in my ownership) and the FD oil has been changed annually, using the right spec oil. I have since checked the play for myself. There is indeed a small amount of play when the rear wheel is grasped at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock position, but nothing in the 12 and 6 o'clock position. Rotating the wheel doesn't affect this, but applying the rear brake really hard eliminates the play. There is no roughness or rumbling of the FD and today I changed the oil, finding nothing on the drain plug and that the oil was perfectly clean. Handling doesn't seem to be affected and there are no strange rumbling noises.

My questions are:

1. Am I correct in believing that the big bearing in the FD is likely to be worn, rather than the pivot bearings?
2. Given the very small amount of play (discernible only by feel rather than movement at the tyre edge) and the clean oil, is it ok to continue to use the bike?
3. If it is the big bearing, why doesn't the play also manifest itself in the 12 and 6 o'clock position?

I should perhaps add that the pivot bearings have never been touched.

All help much appreciated.
 
I had the same thing last year. It was the pivot bearing.

It took me a couple of hours to replace it. It was my first time so I took it easy.

Regards

RobC
 
Many folk have a moment when they feel play in the back wheel and it ends up being the pivot bearings. They usually go notchy and it is in the "notch" that you will get the play. Take you back wheel off and undo the parrallel link bar. Then move the bevel up and down and you will soon know if they are fecked. It should be smooth!
 
Many folk have a moment when they feel play in the back wheel and it ends up being the pivot bearings. They usually go notchy and it is in the "notch" that you will get the play. Take you back wheel off and undo the parrallel link bar. Then move the bevel up and down and you will soon know if they are fecked. It should be smooth!

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Thanks for the advice. I'll remove the link and test it that way. I reckon it's likely to be the pivot bearing; I certainly hope so.
 
Thanks for the advice. I'll remove the link and test it that way. I reckon it's likely to be the pivot bearing; I certainly hope so.

:thumb2 With the wheel removed, it's also easy to give things a good wiggle from side to side to try to isolate the play.

If you find it is the paralever bearings it's a relatively cheap and easy job to replace them (once you've battled with the loctite and got the pinions out :D )
 
.... applying the rear brake really hard eliminates the play....
So the play is in the wheel bearing then :thumb2

If it is the big bearing, why doesn't the play also manifest itself in the 12 and 6 o'clock position?
While on the center stand, put the rear wheel on the ground and grab it at 12 o'clock only. From the side of the bike pull and push the wheel... you'll feel the play there too :thumb2
 
Too late!! I've now removed the wheel and link and confirmed that the final drive has slight lateral movement. So now I've removed the pivots and inspected the bearings. They're nothing like as bad as the ones in Matt's bike but I think that they may account for the play. I've ordered new ones but I think I'll try cleaning, greasing and refitting the originals first in case it's just a matter of adjustment. With two oilheads the bearings will no doubt be needed at some point anyway.

I'll have to leave the job for now 'cos I've got a minor op tomorrow and won't be able to do much for 10 days or so. What joy!!

Anyway, thanks for all the help.

Cheers
 
Thought some of you might be interested in the outcome. No? Oh well, here goes anyway. The reason for the play in the rear wheel was indeed wear on the inner pivot bearing. In the end I replaced both sides. There was sign of any leaks from either the FD input seal or the gearbox rear seal. Anyway, the job went easliy enough and there is now no play at the rear wheel and everthing turns nice and smoothly. Happy, smiley tosser again then. :) Once again, thanks for all the help.

Cheers
 


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