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Firegus

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I bought my GS to do some continental touring, I intend to tour one european country per year eg, Norway 2005, France 2006, Germany 2007 etc and also some uk stuff.
These will be approx one week jaunts.
I think a GPS system would be handy as both me and my wife`s map reading skills are cr@p.
What would be the best solution for me, I visited my local BMW dealership, who tried to sell me their own BMW one for £1350.00.
I cannot jusify that amount of money.
Is there a system that will take me from A to B in France etc. that is simple to use, point me in the right direction when I get lost, robust and does not cost the Earth?

ps I have no previous experience of GPS so be gentle with me and speak slowly
 
GPS

Hi Firegus

I've got a 'spare' BMW Navigator I (Garmin SPIII) rigged up in the car, which you're welcome to come and see and familiarise yourself with, together with the PC based MapSource mapping software.

If you're only going to use it on big trips once or twice a year, we rent out GPS units which may be more cost effective than the large capital outlay.

PM me if interested.

Cheers

Dutch
 
To have a system navigate you from A to B would tend to suggest either the SPIII or a 2610.

The SPIII is much cheaper, but its processor is slower and can take a few minutes to recalculate if you stray off-route. It also has limited map capacity (but mostle big enough for entire single countries at a time) and uses proprietary Garmin memory chips which are quite expensive.

The 2610 is a much faster unit that the SPIII - but more expensive as a result - but uses Compact Flash memory cards which are easily bought quite cheaply. Their size range means that, if you buy a big enough card, you can fit the whole of Europe onto a single card.

Whatever you do, ensure that you unit you buy has a European basemap.

Greg
 
Gecko said:
Coverage in Norway is limited anyway .

Mmmm...not sure about that Gecko......V6 includes full map detail of the whole of Norway & it was more than adequate for our recent trip...

Cheers

Dutch
 
Hi Firegus

If you read though the GPS section here, you'll get more information than you thought possible! It's a bit confusing at first, but it becomes clear with a bit of reading. A few things for you to consider:

Realistically, how much do you want to pay? To get a decent unit, you'll need to allow for a minimum of about £400. Why so expensive? It's not really the unit itself, it's the cost of the mapping software that Garmin have to buy in from companies such as NavTech.

New or secondhand? Yes, it's nice to have a warranty, but Garmin GPS units seem to be very reliable in general - most are waterproof, have strong cases and are resistant to dirt, oil, etc. As with (for example) cars and computers, buying last year's model can (sometimes) save you cash. Mind you, costs are coming down and there are a couple of European based retailers that are offering new units at not much more than the cost of a second-hand unit in the UK (SportExtreme and Aspid Export).
You HAVE to read up a bit on GPS or you can get burned. Look at the Garmin site and make sure you understand a few basics.

Garmin units come with a 'basemap' permanently burned into the unit. These CANNOT be changed. The basemap contains details of major towns and roads, but does NOT contain streets, small villages etc. Many 'cheap' GPS units on offer contain the US basemap - that's not much use to you - check that any unit you're considering has a European (sometimes called Atlantic) basemap.

Next is the routing data (software) that you load into the unit. For full A to B routing in Europe, you'll need a unit that comes with (or can use) either City Select or City Navigator software. They're similar - both contain all streets and suchlike, City Navigator contains a bit more info on things like roundabouts (and is a bit more expensive).

If you buy a unit with routing, you'll also get software called MapSource. This is installed on your PC and manages your selection of what maps to download to the unit, routes you have built and waypoints (special places) that you may have selected.

Phew! Almost there. Next you must have some sort of computer memory in your unit to hold the maps you download from the PC. Three main option here. Firstly are small, battery powered units that have fixed internal memory. They are the cheapest units, but BEWARE - with one exception (the 'Quest') they don't have enough memory to take a whole country. From what you said, despite the low(ish) cost, I'd avoid them (GPS V and GPSMap 60c). For occasional local use they are great.

Other units use Garmin's proprietary (and very expensive) memory modules. Best known is the Streetpilot III - a wonderful unit, now available at good prices. Another possibility is the 276C. For most users, they are fine (esp. the SPIII), but the highest capacity module generally available is 128Mb - probably OK for most trips, but you'd need to be careful to load only the maps for your intended route.

Lastly, the latest units (2610, 2620) are fastest, easiest to use and accept cheap Compact Flash memory cards. The 2610 is essentially the same as the BMW Navigator II that you were shown - except you can buy it for half the price from the European retailers mentioned above! Highly recommended - first choice for many riders here. I'd suggest you avoid the 2620 - it's a more expensive version with no separate map data - it's preloaded and can't be changed.

Lastly, you need a means of fixing the GPS unit to the bike and (preferably) hearing the voice commands. MiGSel (a member of this site) sells a natty mount that fits on the 1150 dash, other alternatives are available from RAM and Touratech. Rainbow and other dealers sell simple earpieces that attach to the units and allow you to hear commands without using an intercom system.

OK, that's it - you MUST decide on your budget - if you have £700, the 2610 would be most people's recommendation, if you have less, the SPIII would get the nod (especially a cheaper second hand one), less again and you'll start making compromises (with the possible exception of the new Quest). Any further info, send me a PM and I'll try and help.
Cheers!
 
Re: Hi Firegus

Paulf said:
Other units use Garmin's proprietary (and very expensive) memory modules. Best known is the Streetpilot III - a wonderful unit, now available at good prices. Another possibility is the 276C. For most users, they are fine (esp. the SPIII), but the highest capacity module generally available is 128Mb - probably OK for most trips, but you'd need to be careful to load only the maps for your intended route.

Nice one Paulf :thumb

Just one thing, they'll both take the Garmin 256mb card................
 
Dutchman makes a very good point - if you only plan to use the unit for one week of touring a year, it's probably best to consider renting one. The annual cost of cartography updates alone is about USD $150 a year.

I'm sure there are lots of folks who would be willing to rent out their high-end GPSR for 7 to 10 days for, say, USD $150.

PanEuropean
 
Indeed they do Jon...

But I've found a lot of places don't stock the 256 and HAVE YOU SEEN THE PRICE??!!! GPS Warehouse want £140...
I reckoned that Firegus could do better than go that route. Point taken though.
:)
 
Paulf

At last! someone who can tell me the basics without baffling me! cheers mate.
Now I can start researching prices etc. rather than spending my time on the GPS Forum getting confused
 
Firegus,

If you're coming on the run tomorrow.. we'll give you some input then too if you like............

I have the Nav.I Dutch the Nav II........

CC

:cool:
 
Firegus

No problem - glad to help. The suggestion from PanEuropean (THE acknowledged GPS guru here) does make sense. There's tremendous progress in GPS units every year and unless you plan to use it throughout the year, renting one would be much better. After you've tried it, you'll know what you think.
OK, but could do without? Rent again next year.
Fantastic! Buy and use... a lot!
One thing you might not have considered, it the use of the unit nearer home. If you fancy a good ride out, choose a destination some distance away in a generally picturesue/interesting direction. Then tell the unit to take you there by the SHORTEST route - NOT the quickest. Whilst many of us have a tendency to stick to A roads in unfamiliar parts, the 'shortest' route will almost certainly bring you down lots of back roads designed for the GS. Not recommended for the Fireblade/R1/GSX1000 boys, but cracking for us.
Oh yes - just seen an advert for the Quest here in the UK. It has 243Mb of fixed memory and therefore becomes a very attractive little unit. As long as the price is OK, looks like it needs adding to the list for comparison.
Good luck!
 
Re: Firegus

Paulf said:
Then tell the unit to take you there by the SHORTEST route - NOT the quickest.

You will certainly get to see some more interesting roads this way, but be warned: 'Shortest' really means 'shortest'!

I once asked my GPS to route me from Darlington to London. Using main-roads, the journey would have been 3-4 hours. Using 'shortest route' it would have been about 2 weeks as I discovered every country lane down the east coast!

:D

Greg
 
Re: Hi Firegus

Hi there!
I just bought the new BMW Navigator...and would like to know the alternatives that I have to hear the voicecommands...is there any other option than getting an intercom and plugging the GPS into your helmet? I will have a new GS in some days...

Hoping for help!

/Henrik

Paulf said:
If you read though the GPS section here, you'll get more information than you thought possible! It's a bit confusing at first, but it becomes clear with a bit of reading. A few things for you to consider:

Realistically, how much do you want to pay? To get a decent unit, you'll need to allow for a minimum of about £400. Why so expensive? It's not really the unit itself, it's the cost of the mapping software that Garmin have to buy in from companies such as NavTech.

New or secondhand? Yes, it's nice to have a warranty, but Garmin GPS units seem to be very reliable in general - most are waterproof, have strong cases and are resistant to dirt, oil, etc. As with (for example) cars and computers, buying last year's model can (sometimes) save you cash. Mind you, costs are coming down and there are a couple of European based retailers that are offering new units at not much more than the cost of a second-hand unit in the UK (SportExtreme and Aspid Export).
You HAVE to read up a bit on GPS or you can get burned. Look at the Garmin site and make sure you understand a few basics.

Garmin units come with a 'basemap' permanently burned into the unit. These CANNOT be changed. The basemap contains details of major towns and roads, but does NOT contain streets, small villages etc. Many 'cheap' GPS units on offer contain the US basemap - that's not much use to you - check that any unit you're considering has a European (sometimes called Atlantic) basemap.

Next is the routing data (software) that you load into the unit. For full A to B routing in Europe, you'll need a unit that comes with (or can use) either City Select or City Navigator software. They're similar - both contain all streets and suchlike, City Navigator contains a bit more info on things like roundabouts (and is a bit more expensive).

If you buy a unit with routing, you'll also get software called MapSource. This is installed on your PC and manages your selection of what maps to download to the unit, routes you have built and waypoints (special places) that you may have selected.

Phew! Almost there. Next you must have some sort of computer memory in your unit to hold the maps you download from the PC. Three main option here. Firstly are small, battery powered units that have fixed internal memory. They are the cheapest units, but BEWARE - with one exception (the 'Quest') they don't have enough memory to take a whole country. From what you said, despite the low(ish) cost, I'd avoid them (GPS V and GPSMap 60c). For occasional local use they are great.

Other units use Garmin's proprietary (and very expensive) memory modules. Best known is the Streetpilot III - a wonderful unit, now available at good prices. Another possibility is the 276C. For most users, they are fine (esp. the SPIII), but the highest capacity module generally available is 128Mb - probably OK for most trips, but you'd need to be careful to load only the maps for your intended route.

Lastly, the latest units (2610, 2620) are fastest, easiest to use and accept cheap Compact Flash memory cards. The 2610 is essentially the same as the BMW Navigator II that you were shown - except you can buy it for half the price from the European retailers mentioned above! Highly recommended - first choice for many riders here. I'd suggest you avoid the 2620 - it's a more expensive version with no separate map data - it's preloaded and can't be changed.

Lastly, you need a means of fixing the GPS unit to the bike and (preferably) hearing the voice commands. MiGSel (a member of this site) sells a natty mount that fits on the 1150 dash, other alternatives are available from RAM and Touratech. Rainbow and other dealers sell simple earpieces that attach to the units and allow you to hear commands without using an intercom system.

OK, that's it - you MUST decide on your budget - if you have £700, the 2610 would be most people's recommendation, if you have less, the SPIII would get the nod (especially a cheaper second hand one), less again and you'll start making compromises (with the possible exception of the new Quest). Any further info, send me a PM and I'll try and help.
Cheers!
 


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