I TOLD YOU TO TAZE HIM
A few years ago there was some weirdo on the Amerivcan ADV Rider site who became obsessed with some issue and just wouldn't let it go, I cant remember the details or his name - but maybe it was you or that Jim from Baden chap?
Heated hand grips
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A few years ago there was some weirdo on the Amerivcan ADV Rider site who became obsessed with some issue and just wouldn't let it go, I cant remember the details or his name - but maybe it was you or that Jim from Baden chap?
A few years ago there was some weirdo on the Amerivcan ADV Rider site who became obsessed with some issue and just wouldn't let it go, I cant remember the details or his name - but maybe it was you or that Jim from Baden chap?
You work for BMW don't you? Your a forum mole
Bikerboy108
Registered user
You must have me confused with someone else? I'm the only guy on here to get the grips "fixed" under warranty...ha ha
A few years ago there was some weirdo on the Amerivcan ADV Rider site who became obsessed with some issue and just wouldn't let it go, I cant remember the details or his name - but maybe it was you or that Jim from Baden chap?
But you seem to be the only guy on here that's obsessed with posting and not have one , constructive idea...
NO - THE GRIPS DONT WORK....IF THEY DID MY HANDS WOULD BE WARMER!
You must have me confused with someone else? I'm the only guy on here to get the grips "fixed" under warranty...ha ha
But you seem to be the only guy on here that's obsessed with posting and not have one , constructive idea...
Constructive ideas? - if you want hotter grips, go buy some hotter ones, there that was very constructive! Also I suggested just as Nutty GSer did that it might be best to talk to your dealer rather than whinge on-line.
The fact is that the present ones clearly work, but a minority of people don't think that they are hot enough, fair enough that is their opinion BUT it obviously isn't a recall issue, or safety issue or even a fit for purpose issue other than for that minority.
You work for BMW don't you? Your a forum mole
No I don't work for BMW, just trying to add a bit of a balance to this subjective subject before the whole world goes crazy over a relatively minor issue.
I went to my dealer today and enquired about the 2015 heated grips.
He made a phone call to Bracknell (?) and asked if the later grips could be retro fitted.
The reply was no as the ZFE monitors the current taken by the grips and they said that if the resistance was more than one ohm different to what was expected, the ZFE would shut the heated grips down. Thus as the new grips are 2.5ohms less than the original on the 2013/14 bikes they could not be successfully fitted.
He was also told that the ZFE could not be reprogrammed to accept the new grips.
This flies in the face of Bikerboy108's successful upgrade.
They also told him that there had been much comment of on a US website and this had been checked out and found to be a false posting.
I guess that this thread will continue run for some time to come.
Mind I would like hotter grips on my 2014 TE.
He made a phone call to Bracknell (?) and asked if the later grips could be retro fitted.
The reply was no as the ZFE monitors the current taken by the grips and they said that if the resistance was more than one ohm different to what was expected, the ZFE would shut the heated grips down. Thus as the new grips are 2.5ohms less than the original on the 2013/14 bikes they could not be successfully fitted.
He was also told that the ZFE could not be reprogrammed to accept the new grips.
This flies in the face of Bikerboy108's successful upgrade.
They also told him that there had been much comment of on a US website and this had been checked out and found to be a false posting.
I guess that this thread will continue run for some time to come.
Mind I would like hotter grips on my 2014 TE.
They do work! - they raise the temperature of the grips, that is clearly working - people have different levels of tolerance to cold - for example my son always seems to have hot hands even on freezing days, so hot that it seems a bit odd to me - on the other hand my girlfriend is the polar opposite, she feels very cold even when everyone else feels perfectly comfortable. I am somewhere in the middle, I would like the grips to be a little hotter when set to max, however I have ridden most days through the entire Winter here in Cambridgeshire wearing summer gloves with the grips set and not had any great problem.
Conclusion - the grips work, but would be better if a little warmer in my opinion but it is hardly a major issue.
If the ZFE does monitor the resistance and I would be surprised if it did not - systems like this often do a check that things like lamps etc are not short circuit or open before applying power. There will be limits placed on the measurement and it may be possible that these limits cannot be changed - the tolerance of the measurement might be just wide enough to allow the 2015 grips to work on some bikes but not others - it could be a bit hit or miss, perhaps even working sometimes and not others - I don't know but this could be why BMW say that it cant be done?????
Shamone
Registered user
Holy shit I agree with you!
Had the same issue with a louder horn. Ended up adding a little resistance to stop it tripping out.
I better go and lie down now
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Holy shit I agree with you!
Had the same issue with a louder horn. Ended up adding a little resistance to stop it tripping out.
I better go and lie down now
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Don't encourage him
Engineer, if you are happy with your grips shut the #### up. Many of us are not, they are up to 20 degree less heat than previous models and new model.
Why should I have to go and buy hotter grips!!! I purchased a new bike and you would expect them to work as previous or even better, not go backwards.
You are as much use as the BMW customer service rep who suggested that Pidcocks try to sell me a pair of thicker gloves.
Why should I have to go and buy hotter grips!!! I purchased a new bike and you would expect them to work as previous or even better, not go backwards.
You are as much use as the BMW customer service rep who suggested that Pidcocks try to sell me a pair of thicker gloves.
I agree, and I would suggest that it is more than a minority that are not satisfied with their heated grips. Engineer has made his point of veiw quite clear and we don't agree with him. He is now just arguing for the sake of it.
Godzilla
Registered user
I agree, and I would suggest that it is more than a minority that are not satisfied with their heated grips. Engineer has made his point of veiw quite clear and we don't agree with him. He is now just arguing for the sake of it.
Agreed.
Trying to shout someone down is not at all constructive is it? If BMW are saying that you can't retro fit the later grips and guarantee that they will work correctly or not cause other issues then who are you to argue?
Rather than just shouting the odds why not try to understand a bit more about the subject or if you don't have the technical knowledge employ an independent expert engineer to tell you what the issues may be. Do you even know how the eletronics switch the grips on and off and how the temperature is controlled or what issues are involved in designing such a system? I doubt that you do - correct me if I am wrong with a convincing story of your expertise.
Holy shit I agree with you!
Had the same issue with a louder horn. Ended up adding a little resistance to stop it tripping out.
I better go and lie down now
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Glad that some think more carefully than some others on here before they start ranting
But not everything they say is true, but probably 99% is. When I quizzed them about me retro fitting an aftermarket quickshifter on a 2013 LC they said it was not possible because the canbus would detect the interrupt and put the bike into limp mode !
So I went against the grain, and fitted a quickshifter to the early LC, it worked faultless, i even wrote up the instructions for Translogic and several other bods off the site brought a translogic shifter as well.
I was also told I could not swop the indicator switchgear functions around on the TC bikes, low n behold I've switched em round !
But not everything they say is true, but probably 99% is. When I quizzed them about me retro fitting an aftermarket quickshifter on a 2013 LC they said it was not possible because the canbus would detect the interrupt and put the bike into limp mode !
So I went against the grain, and fitted a quickshifter to the early LC, it worked faultless, i even wrote up the instructions for Translogic and several other bods off the site brought a translogic shifter as well.
I was also told I could not swop the indicator switchgear functions around on the TC bikes, low n behold I've switched em round !
One reason manufacturers don't want to get involved with non-standard mods is that they can quickly become a liability - if want you experiment and accept any consequences then that's up to you.
BMW have apparently said that the heated grips cannot be changed - I don't know whether or not it can be done without any downsides but I can see why perhaps that it can't.
The company I work for designs and manufactures electronic products that transport video over IP - the hardware and software is very complex - we try to get the specification right but customers do sometimes come to us and say why didn't you do it like this, or why didn't you do that etc etc......
We make most of our software field upgradeable so that we have the flexibility of adding features and correcting bugs at a later date - hardware cannot be practically changed so we have to try to get it right first time but sometimes we cannot second guess what all of our customers may want in the future - so some will be disappointed when it is impractical or uneconomical for us to make changes - it is just a fact of life with all manufactured products.
But not everything they say is true, but probably 99% is. When I quizzed them about me retro fitting an aftermarket quickshifter on a 2013 LC they said it was not possible because the canbus would detect the interrupt and put the bike into limp mode !
So I went against the grain, and fitted a quickshifter to the early LC, it worked faultless, i even wrote up the instructions for Translogic and several other bods off the site brought a translogic shifter as well.
I was also told I could not swop the indicator switchgear functions around on the TC bikes, low n behold I've switched em round !
Yebbut your bike packed up shortly after, and went to the BMW graveyard in the sky!
sven
Registered user
You have some valid points, but the only difference between the 2014 and 2015 bikes is the grips according to the American chap who posted earlier. If the wiring loom, switchgear and ECU are identical, I'd be surprised if the software couldn't be simply updated if required. BMW have a habit of updating the software every service anyway.
A large multinational will avoid the costs associated with upgrades which aren't strictly safety or reliability related if they can get away with it i.e. if it won't harm their sales or reputation. You've got to keep the shareholders happy...
A large multinational will avoid the costs associated with upgrades which aren't strictly safety or reliability related if they can get away with it i.e. if it won't harm their sales or reputation. You've got to keep the shareholders happy...
