HG Master vs Twat Jacket

[brucewayne]

Well my winter hack (R1100GS) is almost ready to rise from the ashes (the garage floor) and take me through winter on my 50 mile commute each day through Norfolk's green lanes and muddy A roads.

This year I'm saving up for a grown up jacket that will last me more than a couple of seasons and cope with the worst of UK winters, which is why I've whittled it down 2 contenders, but what I want to know is:

Why does the HG Master cost £100 more than a BMW Rallye2 Pro (I can't see the extra money is worth it) it's less adaptable, the Goretex liner non removable and it's very, very plain).

But....my only worry about the Rallye2 Pro Jacket is it won't be warm enough, especially the forearms, they look and feel very thin and not THERMAL enough.

The answer is out there somewhere....

 

[DaveGSCymro]

If it's a bit chilly out I wear a one piece waterproof over my Rallye 2 Pro and it's nice and toasty!

 

[MIKA]

Sorry if you have already looked in to this but have you considered the HG Cruise jacket? I have been using the trousers for the past three years all year round and not had any problems with heat or waterproofness, and the Cruise kit is cheaper.

Apologies again if you have discounted this.

 

[brucewayne]

If it's a bit chilly out I wear a one piece waterproof over my Rallye 2 Pro and it's nice and toasty!

Or wear a fleece on the inside I guess...?

I was trying to get a one-piece solution to this...but that may be asking too much of a coat

 

[Steve]

I don't see how you can even try and compare the two.

They are designed for completely different seasons - the Master being one of the best winter set-ups going. My Master IV is probably the warmest, and most waterproof jacket/trousers I've ever owned.

 

[brucewayne]

Sorry if you have already looked in to this but have you considered the HG Cruise jacket? I have been using the trousers for the past three years all year round and not had any problems with heat or waterproofness, and the Cruise kit is cheaper.

Apologies again if you have discounted this.

Thanks Mika, the Cruise was a really strong contender and I was all set to buy a black one at £279, but they have none left in my size (56).
The new Cruise II (£299) now only comes in mid-grey and daylight and I wasn't mad on it once I tried one on....(this very lunchtime!) the BMW jacket is definately the comfiest of all 3 so far.

 

[brucewayne]

I don't see how you can even try and compare the two.

They are designed for completely different seasons - the Master being one of the best winter set-ups going. My Master IV is probably the warmest, and most waterproof jacket/trousers I've ever owned.

I don't doubt the Master, I guess I'm wanting to find out more from real users about the BMW jacket.
If they should not be compared, how come Ewan and Charley (sorry to swear) made it through Siberia wearing twatsuits then?

 

[DaveGSCymro]

Or wear a fleece on the inside I guess...?

I was trying to get a one-piece solution to this...but that may be asking too much of a coat

The problem with the Rallye suit is the zips for the vents, ace in the summer but can be chilly in the winter, block them with the oversuit.

 

[brucewayne]

The problem with the Rallye suit is the zips for the vents, ace in the summer cut can be chilly in the winter, block them with the oversuit.

Verrry interesting....I can see how the MASTER would win on that one, and/or the oversuit

 

[Steve]

If they should not be compared, how come Ewan and Charley (sorry to swear) made it through Siberia wearing twatsuits then?

It wasn't winter.

 

[brucewayne]

Mmmmm? Me could be swinging round to the MASTER again.

Pfffttt.....will have to go and ebay another £100 worth of junk from around the house now!

 

[theEnglishman]

Halvarssons Safety Jacket, if you're looking to stay warm and dry. I was wearing it with just a t-shirt on in the winter and I'm still (2 1/2 years down the line) warm and dry in any weather.

The additional nice thing about the jacket is that you just zip on the summer outer (see one to see what I mean) that it comes with and you've got a cool summer jacket as well.

The Safety Level 2 jacket, together with the Teflon and Breeze outer jackets come to ~£450. Or <£390 if you don't get the Breeze summer outer bit....

Worth a squirt??? http://www.jofama.se/motorcycle_wear/product_details.php?lang=2&cid=5&id=44

 

[Arsey]

Not sure it its' been mentioned,but the Master V is made from the latest laminated Goretex,so water just runs off it and keeps the jacket light.

I bought a Master V but swapped it for a PSX-TR as I found the Master V rode up when bent foreward on a sportsbike.

Now the latter is gone I wished I'd kept it.


But the PSX-TR suit is 100% waterproof and fits bloody well.

 

[brucewayne]

Not sure it its' been mentioned,but the Master V is made from the latest laminated Goretex,so water just runs off it and keeps the jacket light.

I bought a Master V but swapped it for a PSX-TR as I found the Master V rode up when bent foreward on a sportsbike.

Now the latter is gone I wished I'd kept it.


But the PSX-TR suit is 100% waterproof and fits bloody well.

Thanks for that.....and the avatar!!!
Ewa Sonnet I believe?

 

[Arsey]

Forgot to add :


A mate has just brought a Revit Cayenne pro jacket and pants.

He used it on a 2000 mile jaunt to spain and back and said it was brilliant.

It certainly looks well made,with waterproof zips etc :

 

[billynomates]

I definately go for the Twat suit and a heated vest if you think or know its going to get really cold if not a thermal fleece will be enough, no jacket can keep the effects of wind chill out for long plus you can use the suit all year round.
ian

 

[ovenpaa]

Gerbings jacket liner under ANYTHING works very well, just make sure you get a temperature controller as well, I can go right through winter in one with a KTM Rallye jacket on top and a T shirt underneath and keeping you core warm means you have warmer fingers as well

 

[brucewayne]

Strange message on their front page?


http://www.gerbings.co.uk/gerbings_jacket_liner.html

 

[Steve the Kiwi]

I have the Rev'it Factor pants. The fit and comfort is great but they most certainly are not 100% waterproof. An hour ride in moderately heavy Belgian rain and had I wet shorts. They have the same waterproof fabric as the Cayenne which a mate has and he was a bit disappointed about the waterproofness. My Rukka Steel Jacket off ebay brand new for 240 quid was bloody fantastic.
If you want real waterproofness gore-tex is the way to go. A set of ex plod or military gore-tex jacket and pants from the surplus store for 20 pounds would sought that out and would be warmer.
If you can get a gore-tex jacket were the gore-tex is direct laminated direct to the outer shell of the jacket ( expensive) but much warmer 99% of jackets have the w/proof fabric as a seperate layer of fabric. It's cheaper to make like this but when the outer fabric gets wet and sodden the windchill has a big effect and the evaporation of the water has a massive chilling effect ( same theory as how a fridge works)

 

[ovenpaa]

We no longer stock Gerbing Heated Products
mainly due to reliability and availability issues

Amazing, my heat controller packed up (my fault) a couple of years ago so I mailed NL where they are made, they referred me to a UK address (A farm from memory!) who must have been copied in on the mail as they contacted me immediately asking for my address so they could get one out in the post, no questions asked, they just did it.

Gerbings are/were guaranteed for life and IMHO the jacket is one of the best items I have ever purchased so this message is really strange.