santrix
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I am about a 4 chest and 5'7". I got the bomber jacket goretex version in a Large - Long and it goes over my revit off track jacket perfect.
Hi Viz Jacket ex Plod
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I am about a 4 chest and 5'7". I got the bomber jacket goretex version in a Large - Long and it goes over my revit off track jacket perfect.
santrix
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Just had a chat with One Stop Cop Shop where i got mine from. Basically there's nothing illegal about the chequers, security services using them long before police. One of their customers did have one confiscated by the police darn sarth( who thought it was stolen!!) who then got sued for it. The jackets are sold by the police back into the general market. So unless you've got police slapped on it dont worry, have a chat with them and explain where you got it from, apparently most coppers dont even know their kit gets sold back to joe public. By all means confiscate mine please, i could do with some cash. Keep your receipt lol. Then again i suppose they chould stop every pedal cyclist in black cycling shorts as they might be stolen police issue....
Or howabout a stolen police horse?
Surely they have better things to do... then again... Bikers... Police.... let's not go there..
Thanks I'm about a 36, my chest measurement wearing the jacket is about 42, so it sounds like a medium is what I need. With making an offer how did you do that, it looks like there's just a buy it now button on there, for seller csp-cat. Did you call them and make an offer?
Cheers,
J.
BeemerBaz
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Today I ventured out wearing for the first time my ex Police Goretex Hi Viz jacket courtesy of E bay.
All badges removed of course. Still has the reflective front and back chequered pattern tho'
Its windproof and waterproof and only cost around £51 and its nearly new.
What a difference in traffic attitude !!!!
Mobile phones quickly dissapeared, everything around me stuck to the speed limits and nobody pulled out on me.
The guilt written on peoples faces approaching me was a sight to see.
Whilst parked in a layby having a ciggie the traffic behaved as per the highway code but only fellow bikers waved to me.
All was well with the world as I hurried home to watch Bike Cop on tv.
I wear my Blue Knights Hi-Vis all the time and suprising what a bit of silver writing on a blue background does to car drivers especially when filtering and have the HID lights on too
Hi
On the ebay site there was a 'make an offer' button. I will find the site I purchased it from but I am sure it was the onecopshop site.
I have removed the blue / white chequered strip - wish I had kept it on now reading other posts! Still a dam fine buy for the money.
Johnboy
The link is
Sorry not sure how to insert a link!
Gruffalo
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ive just bought a rukka marco jacket with the day glow torso and arms
only been riding with it for a few days and it does make a difference to me with drivers apparently noticing me alot earlier and traffic parting like the red sea when in town
its not going to change the way i ride and im not going to rell on it but it has made a difference and thats what matters
but at 400 notes its not cheap, but a top peice of kit
only been riding with it for a few days and it does make a difference to me with drivers apparently noticing me alot earlier and traffic parting like the red sea when in town
its not going to change the way i ride and im not going to rell on it but it has made a difference and thats what matters
but at 400 notes its not cheap, but a top peice of kit
Uncle Ricky
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Is spot on.
I'm sure you think it's worked for you. PS - HiVis doesn't work at night.
In my mind, this is possibly the only valid reason to wear/use it.
But it still changes your attitude when you wear it.
She 'still' managed not to see me - even though I was wearing all that stuff.
See how wearing it affects the subconscious?
Bold bits mine. One sentence he says that hivis doesn't affect the way feels about his visibilty, the next thing he's saying he's scared to ride without it, ie, he feels safer with it!!
Again, it gets us on a subconscious level.
After all, and here's the killer question, if we really really think it will make no difference to our conspicuity and won't affect the way we ride, then why do we put it on?
I have short Hein Gericke jacket over which the longer jacket goes. It is very comfortable.
how did you do that and also some tossers hide the URL behind a description like "here". Please tell me how!
Fact. If you tour in Europe you are required to carry a hi viz waistcoat/jacket.
Fact. Just about anyone whose occupation puts them in harms way, are required by their employer to wear hi viz, from fork truck drivers, to roadside litter pickers, to air side airport workers and of course the emergency services.
By any definition riding a motorbike, puts you in harms way.
My cantankerous Mother is the best possible reason I can think of for wearing hi viz, she has poor hearing, and as been given hearing aids, but will only wear one! she has poor eyesight but will not admit it!, she lives on her own, in a semi rural location, and depends on her car for shopping and her general sense of Independence. At this time of year (dark evenings) I often follow cars on unlit out of town roads at a really frustrating 30-40 MPH in my works van, you arrive in a town and they then drive at 45MPH in a 30MPH controlled area, and I am sure this is because of poor vision and I wager my mother is just the same.
There are many drivers with poor eyesight who just should not be driving, BUT ARE !!! If wearing my Hein Gericke hi viz jacket improves my chances of being seen on my bike by one percent, then thats good enough for me.
Fact. Just about anyone whose occupation puts them in harms way, are required by their employer to wear hi viz, from fork truck drivers, to roadside litter pickers, to air side airport workers and of course the emergency services.
By any definition riding a motorbike, puts you in harms way.
My cantankerous Mother is the best possible reason I can think of for wearing hi viz, she has poor hearing, and as been given hearing aids, but will only wear one! she has poor eyesight but will not admit it!, she lives on her own, in a semi rural location, and depends on her car for shopping and her general sense of Independence. At this time of year (dark evenings) I often follow cars on unlit out of town roads at a really frustrating 30-40 MPH in my works van, you arrive in a town and they then drive at 45MPH in a 30MPH controlled area, and I am sure this is because of poor vision and I wager my mother is just the same.
There are many drivers with poor eyesight who just should not be driving, BUT ARE !!! If wearing my Hein Gericke hi viz jacket improves my chances of being seen on my bike by one percent, then thats good enough for me.
NorthernBoy
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Wow, what an utter failure of logic. Everyone who looks will see you whatever you are wearing, whether you blend into the background or not, and damn all that stupid scientific research that shows the complete opposite of that, eh?
For those who put the facts ahead of a strongly voiced opinion, here's a piece with some real data,
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/328/7444/857
To quote the final chapter from the abstract;
"Conclusions: Low conspicuity may increase the risk of motorcycle crash related injury. Increasing the use of reflective or fluorescent clothing, white or light coloured helmets, and daytime headlights are simple, cheap interventions that could considerably reduce motorcycle crash related injury and death."
NorthernBoy
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According to the research above, it will likely drop your probability of having an accident which causes injuries by over 30%, which is a far from insignificant amount.
Common sense is enough to show you this, though. There's a subset of drivers who give a brief glance that does not notice someone in drab colours, but who would notice the high-contrast of bright yellow against the background.
Until we start driving past high-viz buildings with high-viz pedestrians, a high-viz jacket is one useful part of what we all do every day to keep ourselves safe out there.
Interesting that they choose to use "may" rather than "will". If the figures showed an increase in risk (and this is quantifiable) - they wouldn't use "may". It's a carefully worded statement - so should be read carefully
A bit like "Flora Proactive, may reduce your cholestorol"
Talking to another member of this forum the other week, he postulated on the possibility that dark clothing, worn during daylight - actually made the rider more visible.
The idea being - that the lack of pattern makes the contrast against the background - more pronounced. The best camoflage is "disruptive pattern" (like lots of colours, flash helmet etc).
USS Leviathan (probably just before it was torpedoed
)
Al
wot Tarka said.
address the cause NOT the symptoms!
What, by riding a bike that doesn't go over 60mph?
wot Tarka said.
address the cause NOT the symptoms!
Is that not akin to saying - don't wear a helmet............... you won't need it if you are so feckin' brilliant that you never fall off?
Or don't bother with condoms - they should tackle aids...........
Al
True in a car but not required on a bike.
And it's required for the driver only so ignore any high pressure sales person at the port telling you passengers need them as well, and it must be within reach for the the driver so not in the boot.
You`re still missing the major underlying causes of 'accidents'/incidents being motorists mostly not being prepared to stop or give way in the first instance.
Witness how most of them approach junctions and roundabouts at full speed and will only ever slow or give way in the most begrudging manner.
Even then they appear to adopt a 'risk calculation' based on how much damage or pain the other vehicle will inflict on them if things go wrong.
This is borne out by fewer cars pulling out on me or buggering about getting too close behind me when I`m on my Goldwing,Guzzi or either of the Ural combos compared to my Enfield or PitBike.
The feckers are all over me on the PitBike because it appears to be totally innocuous and non threatening...it`s 'just a little bike'.
Observe from the above that the vast majority of the twats DO actually SEE you on a bike but they simply don`t give a feck.
Then factor in the mobile phone user,the full on animated conversationalist who is looking everywhere but outside the car,the lunatic trying to do the ten minutes to work in five minutes,the harrassed mum dashing to school while worrying about what to have for tea,the rejected and angry rep,etc etc.
Then add the unqualified drivers,the criminals at large,those who passed their test 40 or 50 years ago and haven`t been re-tested or assessed once since that time,and any other kind of feckless idiot allowed out in a motor vehicle.
Sprinkle that with the common attitude of them feeling that they 'own' the space they`re in and hence 'won`t let that twat out' or need to 'keep that bastard behind'.
Combine all that and you`ll find that the only real reason that your dayglo/hiviz makes any difference is because they aren`t sure if you`re plod and they run a high risk of being done for their actions.
But that`s only if they look in the first place.
Ultimately,if you feel safer in the stuff then wear it.
Beware though,that you run a very great danger of fecking things up for everyone else if you adopt or spout the attitude of 'you should wear it for compensation`s sake' .
Witness how most of them approach junctions and roundabouts at full speed and will only ever slow or give way in the most begrudging manner.
Even then they appear to adopt a 'risk calculation' based on how much damage or pain the other vehicle will inflict on them if things go wrong.
This is borne out by fewer cars pulling out on me or buggering about getting too close behind me when I`m on my Goldwing,Guzzi or either of the Ural combos compared to my Enfield or PitBike.
The feckers are all over me on the PitBike because it appears to be totally innocuous and non threatening...it`s 'just a little bike'.
Observe from the above that the vast majority of the twats DO actually SEE you on a bike but they simply don`t give a feck.
Then factor in the mobile phone user,the full on animated conversationalist who is looking everywhere but outside the car,the lunatic trying to do the ten minutes to work in five minutes,the harrassed mum dashing to school while worrying about what to have for tea,the rejected and angry rep,etc etc.
Then add the unqualified drivers,the criminals at large,those who passed their test 40 or 50 years ago and haven`t been re-tested or assessed once since that time,and any other kind of feckless idiot allowed out in a motor vehicle.
Sprinkle that with the common attitude of them feeling that they 'own' the space they`re in and hence 'won`t let that twat out' or need to 'keep that bastard behind'.
Combine all that and you`ll find that the only real reason that your dayglo/hiviz makes any difference is because they aren`t sure if you`re plod and they run a high risk of being done for their actions.
But that`s only if they look in the first place.
Ultimately,if you feel safer in the stuff then wear it.
Beware though,that you run a very great danger of fecking things up for everyone else if you adopt or spout the attitude of 'you should wear it for compensation`s sake' .
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i dont think one can feel 'safe' on a motorbike and if hi vis makes you 'feel' this way it is a false security for all the above reasons you have outlined...which i totally agree with...
i think the attitude of everyone on the road is out to get you is right then adding the hi vis can help but don't rely on it..
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