How much preload?

brusuillis

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Who can help me to understand how to set the preload?

The normal setting is for only rider (as I can read on the manual) and I must increase preload as increase the weight (passenger and luggage).

Is there a valid rule to increase preload correctly?

How many rounds per pound?

Or it's only a feeling matter?

My weight 176 pounds, my passenger 110 pounds.

I must change the preload everytime a ride alone or with the passenger?

Is there a wide-range setting?

Thanks!
 
This explains it better than I can, the description is for forks but the same applies other than the use of spacers....

Pre-load adjustment
Motorcycle suspensions are designed so that the springs are always under compression, even when fully extended. Pre-load is used to adjust the initial position of the suspension with the weight of the motorcycle and rider acting on it. Both the front forks and the rear shock or shocks can be adjusted for pre-load on most modern motorcycles.

The difference between the fully extended length of the suspension and the length compressed by the weight of the motorcycle and rider is called "total sag". Total sag is set to optimize the initial position of the suspension to avoid "bottoming out" or "topping out" under normal riding conditions. "Bottoming out" occurs when the suspension is compressed to the point where it mechanically cannot compress any more. "Topping out" occurs when the suspension extends fully and cannot mechanically extend any more. Increasing pre-load increases the initial force on the spring thereby reducing total sag. Decreasing pre-load decreases initial the force in the spring thereby increasing total sag.

Since the weight of the motorcycle and rider are the only forces compressing the suspension from the fully extended position, preload doesn't change the forces on the springs under riding conditions. Changing the pre-load does not change the way the suspension reacts to bumps or dips in the road surface either. Two simple examples using the motorcycle's forks shows why:

Suppose that the bike and rider put a total weight on the front suspension of 300 lb. Suppose the spring rate of each fork spring is 50 lb per inch. Installing a 1 inch long spacer in each fork leg gives a pre-load of 50 lb per spring, a total of 100 lb. When the weight of the rider and motorcycle are loaded onto the suspension it will compress 2 inch from full extension (2 inches total sag). Now the force exerted on (and by) each fork spring is 150 lb (1 inch pre-load + 2 inch total sag = 3 inch total spring compression) for a total of 300 lb, balancing the weight of the bike and rider.
Suppose we now install a 2 inch long spacer in each fork leg. The pre-load is now 100 lb per spring, a total of 200 lb. The total sag will change since we still have the same 300 lb loading the forks. The total sag will now be 1 inch. The total force on each spring is the same as before, 150 lb on each fork spring for a total of 300 lb force. The front suspension's initial position is 1 inch longer than in the preceding example (1 inch less total sag).
Since the forces are the same in both examples the reaction of the suspension to bumps and dips in the road will be the same. The difference is that there is less chance of topping out in example 1, less chance of bottoming out in example 2. Motorcycle manufacturers generally provide optimal total sag settings.

This is also why too-soft springs cannot be "fixed" by adding pre-load, too-stiff springs cannot be "fixed" by reducing pre-load. Changing to springs of the correct spring constant for the total weight of the bike and rider is the only solution.

Some motorcycles have externally accessible pre-load adjustments. Typically, this is a screw-type adjustment that moves a backing plate inside the fork against the top of the fork spring. The farther down the adjuster is screwed, the higher the preload.

A few motorcycles allow adjustment of pre-load by changing the air pressure inside the forks. Valves at the top of the forks allow air to be added or released from the fork.[2] More air pressure gives more preload, and vice versa.

Pre-load on bikes without adjusters can be changed by disassembling the fork and changing the length of the spacer between the top of the fork spring and the fork cap. Spacers can be installed under the rear shock springs similarly. A longer spacer gives higher preload, and vice-versa.

The pre-load on both forks should always be the same. Dangerous handling characteristics and possible mechanical damage can result otherwise.
 
Thanks for your description. I already read a lot of this theoretical descriptions but I try to understand how much turn the knob to compensate the passenger ad luggage weight.

One knob round for about how much weight?
 
Sorry.... but just ride the dam bike and don't worry about it. It'll not throw you off :eek:

Perfection in suspension settings will only be a problem in Moto GP

:beerjug:
 
I ride the bike as much I can... but I think the preload must be set correctly.

When I ride with passenger a lot of cars lamps me... my lights are too high and this tell me that the bike's rear i too low... low preload I think.

Well... how much increase to avoit too much preload?
 
With you sitting on the bike, have an assistant steady the bike & place a tape measure from a datum point (on the rear of the bike) to the road... note the measurement. Load the bike & adjust the preload to obtain the same height (note the number of turns.) Now load the bike with a passenger (not the assistant, else you may fall off & have to start over again.. ;) ) & adjust to obtain the same height (note the number of turns.)
 
Full load ie rider + pillion + luggage = max preload

Rider + pillion = couple of turns less than max

Rider = about 3/4

As I don't take a pillion on my 650 twin and don't have luggage, I leave mine at 3/4 and it seems ok to me. But I'm fairly tall and not a "lightweight" rider :augie so YMMV.
 
Full load ie rider + pillion + luggage = max preload

Rider + pillion = couple of turns less than max

Rider = about 3/4

As I don't take a pillion on my 650 twin and don't have luggage, I leave mine at 3/4 and it seems ok to me. But I'm fairly tall and not a "lightweight" rider :augie so YMMV.

IMHO, John pretty much in the right ballpark, dependent on weight. I use on 800:

(turn = full 360, all from the softest position)
Rider + pillion +luggage = 9 turns (almost max)
Rider + pillion = 6 turns
Rider = none (Dealer recommendation based on weight)

Also don't forget damping (screw) adjustment:
Rider + pillion + luggage = 4 turns
Rider + pillion = 3 turns
Rider = 1.5 turns

And then there's tyre pressures!
 
I think this is what the gentleman was requesting. Thanks for the support ( no pun intended) guys....:thumb
 
Don't forget that adjusting the pre-load doesn't change the rate of the spring, just the ride height.

If you're getting flashed by other motorists, then adjust your ride height accordingly. Try pointing the light on a wall with the bike unloaded and just you aboard - note the position of the beam ... then load up with pillion, luggage, kitchen sink and check again... the beam will have moved upwards, so wind up your preload until the beam height matches the unloaded mark and your ride height will be restored...

"Simples!" *chirp* ..

Greg
 
IMHO, John pretty much in the right ballpark, dependent on weight. I use on 800:

(turn = full 360, all from the softest position)
Rider + pillion +luggage = 9 turns (almost max)
Rider + pillion = 6 turns
Rider = none (Dealer recommendation based on weight)

Also don't forget damping (screw) adjustment:
Rider + pillion + luggage = 4 turns
Rider + pillion = 3 turns
Rider = 1.5 turns

And then there's tyre pressures!

Very very usefull... thanks!!!

Only an another question... you say that 9 turns is "almost max" but my knob can 20 turns...
 
Hi Brusuillis,

I've just checked mine again I actually get 15 turns (I originally thought 12), the last 3 needed a bit of work to overcome so I think I am running too little preload now. I will try:

Rider + pillion + luggage at 12 turns, Rider + pillion at 8 and rider only 3. Much closer to John's settings but as others have said it's not an exact science and depends on weight. I'm only 5'8" average weight.

Thanks for getting me to check again! Not sure why you have 20 turns against mine at 15?
 
And there was me just doing 3 turns for when my GF is onboard. :augie

It does the trick though as I'm a short arse. As for headlights, if your passenger is going to be on for any length of time and into the night then adjust with the torx wrench. If it's just a short daytime hop to the shops it's not worth the trouble.

:thumb2
 
Just as a tangent to this thread, the last post that Everywhere just made highlights at least ONE area where BMW have cut costs (corners?) with the 800...

The 1200GS has a lever under the headlamp that you can flip to lower the headlamp to allow for passenger/luggage weight... nothing so sophisticated on the 8's eh?

Greg
 
Have a search online for setting up 'sag' on your suspension.

It's a 2-3 man job if you want to set up for pillion weight too, but it shouldn't matter how many turns are quoted as you will be measuring the height - not counting turns.

If I remember correctly that is...it's a long time since I did it myself.

Linky to 'How to adjust sag' article

Please note the figures quoted are for travel on sportsbikes...dunno what they'd be on a GS.
 
Just as a tangent to this thread, the last post that Everywhere just made highlights at least ONE area where BMW have cut costs (corners?) with the 800...

The 1200GS has a lever under the headlamp that you can flip to lower the headlamp to allow for passenger/luggage weight... nothing so sophisticated on the 8's eh?

Greg

Maybe I should go and develop a widget that does this on the 800 because it is a pain tweaking the lights every time you put a passenger or luggage on. That said the stock headlight unit on the 800 gives more light than the 1200
 
IMHO, John pretty much in the right ballpark, dependent on weight. I use on 800:

(turn = full 360, all from the softest position)
Rider + pillion +luggage = 9 turns (almost max)
Rider + pillion = 6 turns
Rider = none (Dealer recommendation based on weight)

Also don't forget damping (screw) adjustment:
Rider + pillion + luggage = 4 turns
Rider + pillion = 3 turns
Rider = 1.5 turns

And then there's tyre pressures!

- great useful info.!!
thanks.
 


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