How to remove maps from unit?

[John Armstrong]

Have you thought of trying:

http://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=3291

and seeing if you can select the Wanderlust and Maroc tiles to send them to the Nav 3. IIRC the utility worked with the Nav 3 you have when I was trying to get CN 2008 onto it last year.

 

[Bumpkin]

You don't need MapInstall though it can be handy to have on your PC, it actually tells you how much space remains on your unit which I don't think Mapsource does.

Berin, you won't be able to upgrade your mapping properly if you use the same technique as you did with your 2610, the NavIII will store the uploaded mapping in the supplementary mapping area of the memory. The previous mapping will still be in the primary mapping memory space. There isn't room for both so you'll not be able to fit all of the new version on.

The mapping is stored in two files in the memory of your NAvIII, the primary is named gmapprom.img and the supplementary gmapsupp.img. The former contains the preloaded mapping (City Nav) and the latter whatever else you load.

The primary mapping is write protected and cannot be touched using 'send to device' from within Mapsource. This memory area and the mapping it contains is unaffected by any mapping you load into the supplementary space. This way you have your European mapping always there, anything you load via Mapsource doesn't overwrite it as it would have on your 2610 but overwrites the supplementary 'gmapsupp.img' file. This allows you to load anything else such as Wundrlust, Topo, Bluechart etc. alongside your primary mapping 'gmapprom.img'. However, if you're uploading more than one of these they must be uploaded as a complete set in one go as each write to the supplimentary memory overwrites what's already there as on your 2610.

The 2610, in effect, just had the 'gmapsupp.img' file that you overwrote each time.

The only official way to write to the primary mapping space is use the Garmin update DVD and allow that to load the mapping to your GPS. There's some Garmin vodo that goes on behind the scenes that allows this to happen.

If your GPS has an SD card or memory that can be switched into a mass storage mode then there are work arounds/hacks that make messing around with the primary mapping possible. However, these aren't for the faint hearted/non tech savy.

 

[John Armstrong]

If your GPS has an SD card or memory that can be switched into a mass storage mode then there are work arounds/hacks that make messing around with the primary mapping possible. However, these aren't for the faint hearted/non tech savy.

It doesn't

Personally I'd try opening a Mapsource session on the PC, opening Wanderlust and selecting the tiles you want, save it, open Maroc topo, select the tiles you want. Save again. And then try the mapinstall to send it as one burst of information to the GPS.

Or don't go to Morocco and Wanderlust areas in the same trip

 

[gpsonaPan]

I have always believed that the BMW navagator 111 was a branded StreetPilot111 of which I have one.

In the kit that I had with mine is a USB DATA CARD PROGRAMMER.
After selecting the tiles required for the card the info is "sent to device" using the tab at top of Mapsource screen.,, If memory serves me right, there is an option to format the card there too.

If this helps then your welcome if not ,,,,it wasn't me who said so.

Pat

 

[John Armstrong]

I have always believed that the BMW navagator 111 was a branded StreetPilot111 of which I have one.

SP3 = last century = BM Nav 1

Nav 3 = this century = 2820 (sort of).

But as BM have been rebadging from the SP3 to 2610 to 2820 they progressively changed / "improved" the units so that they "added" value and could charge twice the Garmins equivalent cost. Though you did get 2 years warranty and a nice cradle with the Nav 2 and 3.

 

[Ash]

so much for sat nav making life easy
makes you wonder haw we ever managed with just maps and our heads.

 

[gpsonaPan]

I have always believed that the BMW navagator 111 was a branded StreetPilot111 of which I have one.

Ah nuts.

Now i believe it isn't after reading the pro's and con's of PH4824 in the next posting.,,, I can only blame the (flu) drugs I have been on the last coupla days.

Pat

 

[Berin]

It doesn't

Personally I'd try opening a Mapsource session on the PC, opening Wanderlust and selecting the tiles you want, save it, open Maroc topo, select the tiles you want. Save again. And then try the mapinstall to send it as one burst of information to the GPS.

Or don't go to Morocco and Wanderlust areas in the same trip

Tried making a mapset out of Wanderlust tiles and Marok Topo tiles - only 1 installs.

Can't get the mapsource installer to install!

I called the Garmin help line, who helpfully told me (despite asking the question in lots of different ways) that they don't support 3rd party maps and I should contact the map provider. I asked where the maps were installed (answer: see above) but confirmed only 1 map set at a time is possible.

She told me I could delete the maps by viewing the Garmin mass storage on the PC - I told her it doesn't appear as mass storage. She said that sending 1 tile will delete all the CN mapping. I assume the same applies to whatever place on the drive the 3rd party mapping goes.

So - I can run CN maps and 1 3rd party, which is OK.

I'll update this when I've updated to CN 2009......

 

[Bumpkin]

It doesn't

Personally I'd try opening a Mapsource session on the PC, opening Wanderlust and selecting the tiles you want, save it, open Maroc topo, select the tiles you want. Save again. And then try the mapinstall to send it as one burst of information to the GPS.

Or don't go to Morocco and Wanderlust areas in the same trip

The 2820, that the NavIII is allegedly based on, apparently does have mass storage capability. The 2720 does not. Does the NavIII play MP3s? (dunno how you'd load these without mass storage tho...).

The NavIII sounds more like a 2720 with added Bluetooth rather than a downgraded 2820 to me.

Yes, selecting the required map tiles for different products within the same Mapsource window is how it works. The selected map tiles all show up in the maps pane on the left of the screen (select the maps tab) irrespective of whether the map product in question is actually the currently displayed map set. Once you have all you need click the 'send to device' button to upload them all to the supplementary memory of your GPS.

 

[John Armstrong]

Can't get the mapsource installer to install!

She told me I could delete the maps by viewing the Garmin mass storage on the PC

Pity about the installer bit as it lets you see how much spare space you have

Not all the tech support at Garmin realise that the Nav 3 is not a 2820

 

[Berin]

Pity about the installer bit as it lets you see how much spare space you have

Not all the tech support at Garmin realise that the Nav 3 is not a 2820

yes - tech support girly said "that's just a 2820 isn't it?"

Hence the confusion over the mass storage.

Bumpkin, the Nav III does not play MP3's, but it does have bluetooth and it is based on a 2820.

As per my post above, only one 3rd party mapset can be installed at a time.

 

[Bumpkin]

Bumpkin, the Nav III does not play MP3's, but it does have bluetooth and it is based on a 2820.

The 2820 is based on the 2720 but with Bluetooth, MP3 and Mass storage, hence my comment. It seems to fall between the two but with the extra buttons tacked on the side (which neither the 2820 or 2720 have).

As per my post above, only one 3rd party mapset can be installed at a time.

Have you tried switching between the different map-sets in Mapsource and selecting them using the map selector tool?

The highlighted (in light grey) map tile, EuroCSv7, in the left pane is for my 3rd party basemap yet the rest are for tiles from City Nav Europe 2008. Sending these to my GPS combines the two sources into the single gmapsupp.img file on the unit.

Please note that despite my unit being a 2720, that uses NT mapping, it's a US import and thus I have to load my European mapping the old 2610 way. The legacy US mapping is still the primary mapping set in the menu of the GPS though this is unselected and City Nav Europe and the 3rd party basemap are active.

 

[Berin]

Tried making a mapset out of Wanderlust tiles and Marok Topo tiles - only 1 installs.

yes - as per the post above

The 2820 is based on the 2720 but with Bluetooth, MP3 and Mass storage, hence my comment. It seems to fall between the two but with the extra buttons tacked on the side (which neither the 2820 or 2720 have).


Have you tried switching between the different map-sets in Mapsource and selecting them using the map selector tool?

The highlighted (in light grey) map tile, EuroCSv7, in the left pane is for my 3rd party basemap yet the rest are for tiles from City Nav Europe 2008. Sending these to my GPS combines the two sources into the single gmapsupp.img file on the unit.

Please note that despite my unit being a 2720, that uses NT mapping, it's a US import and thus I have to load my European mapping the old 2610 way. The legacy US mapping is still the primary mapping set in the menu of the GPS though this is unselected and City Nav Europe and the 3rd party basemap are active.

 

[Bumpkin]

yes - as per the post above

As per my post above, only one 3rd party mapset can be installed at a time.

I'm confused...

Do you mean you can only see one at a time on the GPS once you've done the upload? If so and the areas overlap then yes, even with both map-sets ticked in the GPS 'Map Detail' menu you'll only see one, which takes priority I don't know. You don't get a transparent layer with one map showing through the other I'm afriad... maybe I'm off on a tangent again?

What I do know is that the basemap takes over from detail mapping once above a certain zoom level.

 

[Berin]

I'm confused...

Do you mean you can only see one at a time on the GPS once you've done the upload? If so and the areas overlap then yes, even with both map-sets ticked in the GPS 'Map Detail' menu you'll only see one, which takes priority I don't know. You don't get a transparent layer with one map showing through the other I'm afriad... maybe I'm off on a tangent again?

What I do know is that the basemap takes over from detail mapping once above a certain zoom level.

I've made a mapset out of both Wanderlust tiles and Maroc Topo tiles by selecting and switching between them in Mapsource.

I've sent the combined mapset to the nav III. It says all OK, data transferred.

When I go the nav III and look at the installed maps (settings>maps>detailed maps)

it shows:

CN NT 2008

and

Maroc Topo - ie no wanderlust maps

When I disable the Maroc maps in the unit I see the CN base map, when I enable them I see the Maroc maps on the unit screen.

On closer examination of the screen on the unit, though - it seems that both the Maroc and the Wanderlust maps are there, only only one shows up in the "detailed maps" list

 

[Bumpkin]

On closer examination of the screen on the unit, though - it seems that both the Maroc and the Wanderlust maps are there, only only one shows up in the "detailed maps" list

Sounds odd to me but then I don't have any specific experience with Wanderlust maps, I see you're asking questions on the Smellybiker's forum, probably the best place to ask why they aren't showing up on your GPS installed map list.

 

[Berin]

Well - they do show up if the Maroc Topo is not installed!

ie - if I just select the wanderlust tiles and send them to the unit - all is fine.

But if I make a combined mapset of Wanderlust and Maroc tiles, only Maroc topo shows up on the list, although both sets do actually seem to be loaded.

I shall test in real life

 

[Bumpkin]

Well - they do show up if the Maroc Topo is not installed!

ie - if I just select the wanderlust tiles and send them to the unit - all is fine.

But if I make a combined mapset of Wanderlust and Maroc tiles, only Maroc topo shows up on the list, although both sets do actually seem to be loaded.

I shall test in real life

Sounds to me like they share some sort of identifier so that they aren't recognised as different map-sets by your GPS when loaded together.

 

[Deleted account W]

I think Wanderlust use the Maroc-Topo mapsets in their mapping.

 

[Berin]

I think Wanderlust use the Maroc-Topo mapsets in their mapping.

Really? If that's the case, I can just install wanderlust east and have done.

Do you know that for sure? if not I'll go and ask on the wanderlust forum.