Well good luck to you and fair play on your patience, I hope they have looked after you in some way.
Terry
Is this normal !
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Well good luck to you and fair play on your patience, I hope they have looked after you in some way.
Terry
Yup, they've given him a shonky steed.
GSWizz
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Buy my R1200R its on the non GS bikes for sale. Only 488 miles from new. Everything works as it should. Last of a well developed line.
Just so that you all don't think I've lost the plot and making this up in my little head !
1- Start bike, run up to temp, select 1st gear clutch out, speedo reads 8-9mph.
Pic 1 clutch out
2-Start bike clutch in, select 1st gear wheel starts to drag than builds up speed 7-8mph
Pic 2 clutch in
pic 3 shows clutch in select 2nd gear wheels spins up to 10mph
Please note position of the Span on the lever is set at no4, it makes no difference if no1-no4 .
1- Start bike, run up to temp, select 1st gear clutch out, speedo reads 8-9mph.
Pic 1 clutch out
2-Start bike clutch in, select 1st gear wheel starts to drag than builds up speed 7-8mph
Pic 2 clutch in
pic 3 shows clutch in select 2nd gear wheels spins up to 10mph
Please note position of the Span on the lever is set at no4, it makes no difference if no1-no4 .
But from a company who's quality control appears to be going down faster than ever. A clutch is a very very simple mechanical item , they just need to know how much friction it needs to transmit the power reliably and how much it needs to clear to prevent it transmitting power when required. Brand new vehicles should not be suffering from clutch drag if their quality control was in existance.
Is that a WC dashboard, the view you get from the rider's perspective??
If so, when they gonna finish it off, looks a bit 'bitty'
Too minimalistic, i reckon
is the engine ticking over to fast? yours appears to rev higher than mine at that temp? the auto choke must have cut out if the engine is up to temp?
If it ticked over any lower the big ends would start knocking ! I think they tick over around 1150rpm !
Tick over seems fine and exactly like the last 2, angle of pictures probably don't help
Not happy with the box on my 64 plate gsa , it is the worst gear change on any bike I have ridden in the last 35 years from first to second ( that includes cz's ,mz's and even a hand change lambretta ), dealers reply 'oh its fine they are all like that'.
Combined with the extremely harsh suspension ( oh they are all like that ) and the overall drop in bmw build quality ie baggy seats after 90 odd miles , poor quality switchgear (oh they are all like that) , it will be the last bmw I will be buying unless they start getting their finger out.
Combined with the extremely harsh suspension ( oh they are all like that ) and the overall drop in bmw build quality ie baggy seats after 90 odd miles , poor quality switchgear (oh they are all like that) , it will be the last bmw I will be buying unless they start getting their finger out.
Don't panic just yet Ding-Dong, go get the clutch hydraulics bled, as rossi46 suggested, this sounds like the most probable cause and the simplest thing to do first, let the workshop do it though if they are not too far away.
Good luck mate!
Good luck mate!
Ding Dong...been thru' the same procedure with engine, box and clutch replaced at 9000 miles and now at 19000 with good gear change and no clonk.
If your bike is driving on you can reject it, legally, as unfit for purpose and demand a new bike or your money back......there will be an adjustment negotiated for fair wear and use.
It is worth asking the dealer to check the hydraulic lines for air entrapment and also check if the clutch plates are warped / faulty as this was the cause of my bike driving on with the lever pulled in.
You should state the facts, not opinion, by email to the dealer when all issues have been checked.
Hope that helps.
I give BMW full marks for their response to my bikes problems but , objectively, they should not have supplied me a faulty box, clutch bike.
If your bike is driving on you can reject it, legally, as unfit for purpose and demand a new bike or your money back......there will be an adjustment negotiated for fair wear and use.
It is worth asking the dealer to check the hydraulic lines for air entrapment and also check if the clutch plates are warped / faulty as this was the cause of my bike driving on with the lever pulled in.
You should state the facts, not opinion, by email to the dealer when all issues have been checked.
Hope that helps.
I give BMW full marks for their response to my bikes problems but , objectively, they should not have supplied me a faulty box, clutch bike.
rob semple
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I'd like to try another new Gsa Just to see if mines any worse than others, clunks into 1st but my 1150 adv does that but the new one clunks 1st-2nd-2nd- 3rd - then it's like butter in to 4th etc the 1150 only did it into 1st..? mines a 64 plate aswell 1500 miles done..
rob semple
Registered user
GrinningGSer ! Clear out some old messages 
johnfoxllb
Registered user
It's quite amazing how many of these bikes are getting new engines for one reason or another. Anyone buying a used GS couldn't be sure what they're getting, a bike built in a factory or in a workshop.
I test rode the S1000R last weekend. The quick shifter was faulty and the bike stalled on occasion when put in first gear (a well known issue I've since discovered).
The word 'junk' springs to mind.
Good luck to the OP in getting the problems sorted. If it were my bike I'd get it fixed and get rid of it. Japanese bikes might be a tad boring but there's few of them that give the bother that BMW's do.
I test rode the S1000R last weekend. The quick shifter was faulty and the bike stalled on occasion when put in first gear (a well known issue I've since discovered).
The word 'junk' springs to mind.
Good luck to the OP in getting the problems sorted. If it were my bike I'd get it fixed and get rid of it. Japanese bikes might be a tad boring but there's few of them that give the bother that BMW's do.
to be fair to dave, he has to be the most knowledgeable guy on this site regarding WC's and their problems and he's sorted me on many occasions, in person and on this site, i really feel for him because despite of all shite and problems he's had with replacement bikes etc he still loves the GS brand and i just cant see him on anything else, hope it works out for ya fella
Follow up!
I did have the dealer whom fitted the engine call me today and said there tech tested the bike and all was fine, its normal ! I sent them a lengthy email with pics, the same pics i posted here and the reply was, i appreciate that your previous engine did not operate in this manner but as you know the current engines coming from BMW have a different clutch and heavy flywheel which we believe is responsible for the characteristics shown on your bike and also our own bikes.
I have also tried the same test on one of the bikes that has the first generation engine and found that this did not not happen with that particular bike.
If you wish to come and test our bikes for yourself then please do so .
So basically if you have a heavy flywheel engine than expect the clutch to drag and the gear change to be shit its normal oh and the early engine they replaced is actually a better engine because it don't share the same characteristics of the new engine.
Also they heavy flywheel engine has made the quickshifter work differently it don't change as quick and changing gear from 2 - 3 at 40mph with the shifter the bike surges and the gear crashes because of the effect of the heavy flywheel, it did not do this before.
Not happy i took the bike to another dealer (local to myself) for a second opinion and they agreed there's something wrong !
I also sent the pics to BMW UK and asked them to explain as to why this is happening and why my bike is now worse than it was with the previous engine regarding the gearbox.
I'm not throwing in the towel i want it putting right and so I'm delivering the bike back to the dealer .
I did have the dealer whom fitted the engine call me today and said there tech tested the bike and all was fine, its normal ! I sent them a lengthy email with pics, the same pics i posted here and the reply was, i appreciate that your previous engine did not operate in this manner but as you know the current engines coming from BMW have a different clutch and heavy flywheel which we believe is responsible for the characteristics shown on your bike and also our own bikes.
I have also tried the same test on one of the bikes that has the first generation engine and found that this did not not happen with that particular bike.
If you wish to come and test our bikes for yourself then please do so .
So basically if you have a heavy flywheel engine than expect the clutch to drag and the gear change to be shit its normal oh and the early engine they replaced is actually a better engine because it don't share the same characteristics of the new engine.
Also they heavy flywheel engine has made the quickshifter work differently it don't change as quick and changing gear from 2 - 3 at 40mph with the shifter the bike surges and the gear crashes because of the effect of the heavy flywheel, it did not do this before.
Not happy i took the bike to another dealer (local to myself) for a second opinion and they agreed there's something wrong !
I also sent the pics to BMW UK and asked them to explain as to why this is happening and why my bike is now worse than it was with the previous engine regarding the gearbox.
I'm not throwing in the towel i want it putting right and so I'm delivering the bike back to the dealer .
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