tell me your views on gs lc only Hill top remap.(if you have had it done to your bike).
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Godzilla
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ROFL at their HP claims.
madmartin
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What the.....?!
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I am interested in this as well as three of us are going in a couple of months to get our bikes sorted. This subject as been done to death on this and other forums. Fortunately when you read through them it soon becomes clear that those who have had it done don't care what the numbers say it is how their bikes feel afterwards, I have yet to read one negative report from somebody who has actually had their bike set up at Hilltop, especially people having GSs done as these seem to benefit particularly well from a good seeing to.
I had my old bike done and the difference in its rideability was very noticeable and i will be having the LC done soon
Montydoesdallas
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What was the cost ?
Do you have the URL ?
Do you have the URL ?
Titto
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£360 I believe and £330 if you can get a few people together.
An increase of 20HP and Torque from a remap on a non turbo petrol engine.....thats just smoke and mirrors. 
I agree that a good remap will improve the fueling and iron out flat spots though.
I agree that a good remap will improve the fueling and iron out flat spots though.
An increase of 20HP and Torque from a remap on a non turbo petrol engine.....thats just smoke and mirrors.
Please explain, in simple terms that a non-expert like me can understand why you (or Godzilla if he wants to respond) feel this is not possible?
Myself, and a number of other folk from this site, have had remaps done and have watched the dyno runs and had the printouts.
I have a 2013 LC with a full Akra system and my Dyno results were consistent with the increase Dave (Ding Dong) has posted. I posted the actual figures for mine on another thread somewhere.
Given the investment that has gone into the set up at Hilltop and the fact that a number of race teams go there I would have thought the readings would be accurate.
Are you saying these are not true, or somehow fixed?
One of my mates is a pro engine tuner (mainly cars), who has remapped all of my BMW cars (turbo Diesels).
He told me that he can easily achieve gains of 25+% BHP & Torque from a TDi engine remap. However, he rarely gets more than 5% BHP & 0% torque from a non turbo petrol engine.
So i dont know how you can get 20+% extra HP & Torque from just remapping the Boxer engine....black magic indeed
He told me that he can easily achieve gains of 25+% BHP & Torque from a TDi engine remap. However, he rarely gets more than 5% BHP & 0% torque from a non turbo petrol engine.
So i dont know how you can get 20+% extra HP & Torque from just remapping the Boxer engine....black magic indeed
I actually dont care what the figures show but can say this with certainty, my old 2012 GS was far quicker in top gear roll on than my mates identical gs that had not been re mapped and was also quicker in the same test compared to a 2013 GS LC
I noticed better fuel consumption compared to previously and compared to non re mapped bikes on the same trips
I can also vouch for how much smoother it was to ride and this was particularly noticeable in towns.
It is all well and good quoting mates who know people that do this or that but untill you have tried a hill topped bike dont knock it
I am so convinced as to the benefits of Hilltop that i am going to spend the money getting the GSA LC done in spring
OK that's fair enough and I'm sure you rmate knows what he is doing, however as google is my friend it took me about 5 seconds to find this:
http://www.remapscience.co.uk/faqs.html
So that would seem to be at odds with what your mate has said.
You then have to account for a motorcycle engine with different state of tune to a car, and presumably the adjusments to fuelling to meet emission regulations may well be very different, and don't forget I had a full exhaust system fitted. All taken together it would seem to make a 20% increase may not be the black magic you are suggesting, just an expert guy in his field who knows how to tune a motorcyle engine, and backed up of course by the printed dyno sheets you walk away with!
Add in all the stuff Redrick has mentioned and it's no wonder there are so many happy Hilltop customers
I'm having my 3rd Remap (Different bikes of course) with Hilltop in March on the group buy, Figures mean squat, all I can say was that my previous twin cams were smoothed out at the bottom end, and a noticeable extra bit of urgency in the latter 3rd of the rev range.
Like Rick says, it's all about the driveability. All my recent cars have been mapped to, again, not really for monster gains in torque or BHP, more to enhance the driveability of the car.
Is this going to be the third 20 pager on hilltop remaps
Like Rick says, it's all about the driveability. All my recent cars have been mapped to, again, not really for monster gains in torque or BHP, more to enhance the driveability of the car.
Is this going to be the third 20 pager on hilltop remaps
. Is this going to be the third 20 pager on hilltop remaps
Well a discussion about a bunch of monkey on typewriters producing Shakespeare can get that much so you just never know what might happen
Godzilla
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Ok I also have a Track S1000RR and a have a friend who races an S1000RR at a high level.
He is fully aware of who Hilltop are and their claims. Especially with reference to the S1000RR. His race team (and I don't mean club racing) could not get anywhere close to what Geoff claims and the was with a full race pipe filters and some work on the internals as well as a full map. He claims over 220hp (or was doing) for a mapped 1000cc road engine. Compare that to the figures for full race Superbikes either World or British and go figure.
Do not believe all that a Dyno seems to say. The fuelling he gets may be smoother but don't believe all the horsepower claims.
Try and find any other tuner who claims anywhere near these figures
He is fully aware of who Hilltop are and their claims. Especially with reference to the S1000RR. His race team (and I don't mean club racing) could not get anywhere close to what Geoff claims and the was with a full race pipe filters and some work on the internals as well as a full map. He claims over 220hp (or was doing) for a mapped 1000cc road engine. Compare that to the figures for full race Superbikes either World or British and go figure.
Do not believe all that a Dyno seems to say. The fuelling he gets may be smoother but don't believe all the horsepower claims.
Try and find any other tuner who claims anywhere near these figures
OK so much more information forthcoming now and it's all very interesting and intriguing!
Your gonna have to bear with me here, coz I'm a bit thick when it comes to engines and power etc. and I tend to take things at face value - i.e. I see a dyno print out produced in front of me and I would tend to believe it (gullible old fool that I am)
Just so I am clear - your friend who races at high level - has he been to Hilltop and then not been able to get the figures claimed by Geoff afterwards? Or has his team not managed to get anywhere near Geoff's claims despite their own best efforts (permitted mods and tuning) on a different dyno? I've no idea how much diffeerent dynos vary- is it by much? Don't some race teams actually go to Geoff for tuning so I guess they must know what they get back from different options?
Anyway all of that is great, but my bike is just a little flat twin which only puts out 100hp at the rear wheel in standard trim (which is what it gave on Geoff's baseline dyno run). So is a 20% increase in a restricted for emissions boxer engine really that unacheivable, or are you saynig that Geoff's dyno then runs a bit optimistic, or he somehow manages to tweak it a bit on the second run to make it look better?
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