LC Service intervals a disgrace

A crankshaft averaging 5-6,000 rpm still needs the same lubrication whether the cylinders are cooled with air, water, liquid nitrogen, Marolyn Monroe's tears etc etc.

This new LC engine now produces 125 :nenau BHP? There's extra stress without all the other performance enhancements.

Bear in mind that most cars only average 3000rpm and generally have twice the amount of cylinders rotating on the crank, that's a hell of a lot less stress!
 
Hope I'm not wrong here but I think, the new GS service schedule is 6k miles for an oil and filter change and a simple check up. The 12k miles or 12mths is the real service with value clearances, pads check etc etc blarr blarr....

I've always changes oils and filters as regularly as is reasonable and cost effective so I see no problem there. I know oils get better and better but still I feel happier seeing them changed at a reasonable interval.

To me, 6k miles is about 10-12 months riding so one service a year is fine. Anyone doing 10k+ miles should I guess factor that in when buying.

From my experience with BMW the services costs are not over the top and as I have a mate with a 1050 Tiger who pays more at Triumph than I do at BMW I'm happy with that.

I feel that with the amount of gizmos and electronics on the new bike an annual check and if there are any, firmware upgrades to be done, is ok and I'm happy to pay for that.

Ps visited dealer today as finished the deal new WC 2nd March. Not worried about a test ride, I've had several bikes and always followed my gut feeling so never bothered. Only thing I ever tested before I brought was the wife and she didn't turn out to bad! :augie
 
Hope I'm not wrong here but I think, the new GS service schedule is 6k miles for an oil and filter change and a simple check up. The 12k miles or 12mths is the real service with value clearances, pads check etc etc blarr blarr....

I've always changes oils and filters as regularly as is reasonable and cost effective so I see no problem there. I know oils get better and better but still I feel happier seeing them changed at a reasonable interval.

To me, 6k miles is about 10-12 months riding so one service a year is fine. Anyone doing 10k+ miles should I guess factor that in when buying.

From my experience with BMW the services costs are not over the top and as I have a mate with a 1050 Tiger who pays more at Triumph than I do at BMW I'm happy with that.

I feel that with the amount of gizmos and electronics on the new bike an annual check and if there are any, firmware upgrades to be done, is ok and I'm happy to pay for that.

Ps visited dealer today as finished the deal new WC 2nd March. Not worried about a test ride, I've had several bikes and always followed my gut feeling so never bothered. Only thing I ever tested before I brought was the wife and she didn't turn out to bad! :augie

If your dealer told you that on order you finalised today that you'll have delivery on 2nd March, he's dreaming.:rob I ordered mine in October and have been told 11th March. 2nd March is the launch, so no bikes are going out the door that weekend.:rob
 
Sorry Nutty - my deposit was paid on the 6/10/12.

I know "she's" on the way down the line as we speak. :bounce1
 
Service Schedules

one of the reasons that manufacturers like BMW have services intervals at 6,000 miles is due to brake pads wearing out before the service interval is up
this saves them a fortune having to replace discs and pads under warranty
any longer intervals would cost them plenty


simples :rob
 
I spoke to GS dealer today....he showed order processed by BMW that my lc is in production as we speak and will be at dealers for me to ride away from 4th march :D. hope there are no unexpected delays.
 
one of the reasons that manufacturers like BMW have services intervals at 6,000 miles is due to brake pads wearing out before the service interval is up
this saves them a fortune having to replace discs and pads under warranty
any longer intervals would cost them plenty


simples :rob

Discs/pads are a wear item surely????? Can't believe any manufacturer would replace under warranty?? You'll be saying that Tyres are covered next...:D

Also IMO any owner that does not check their pads from time to time is a knobber:thumb2
 
Service Schedule

Discs/pads are a wear item surely????? Can't believe any manufacturer would replace under warranty?? You'll be saying that Tyres are covered next...:D

As a Service Manager at a BMW dealer for over 20 years
that info is accurate and comes from the horses mouth
tyres dont come in to it

the amount of bikes that come into dealers with pads on the metal is unbelievable

:thumb2
 
one of the reasons that manufacturers like BMW have services intervals at 6,000 miles is due to brake pads wearing out before the service interval is up
this saves them a fortune having to replace discs and pads under warranty
any longer intervals would cost them plenty


simples :rob

I don't think so, pads are consumables - like tyres, if you wear them out you should get them changed. As previously stated, will the tyres be a warranty item, or should I ride until they burst and start running on the rims and expect a new wheel / tyre under warranty at the next service.

I can see why S1000's / R1's etc "May" need servicing at 6k, if the performance is being used they probably need it. Also compared to my car (12 months / 20k miles) most bikes have a combined clutch / engine / gearbox and the oil does far more work than in a car where the engine oil and Gearbox oil are sperate and the clutch has no oil.

The tighter tolerances should mean less piston blow by and therefore less shite in the oil, but I understand the clutch is now wet on the new bike this may explain why it did not alter.

Another issue is that 6k is assumed to be a large number of miles for a bike and for most owners this is less than a years worth (and 2,3 or even 4 years for quite a number of bikers)

I can remember many bikes with 3k-4k service intervals, some still are but generally they have improved, not sure about Triumphs 10k regardless of age philosophy, more of a marketing stunt IMO, but 10k / annually would be fine on most bikes I reckon.

Unless you must have the BMW Dealer History doing Oil changes yourself is a way of saving huge amounts, a £200 6k service can be done for under £50 and you only need an oil filter wrench, couple of sockets to do it yourself (and ideally a torque wrench - but the f***** dealers never use one so why should you:D) I do most work myself and prefer to do so, the little jobs get done (Like cleaning calipers and greasing suspension linkages) and everything is torqued up to spec.

The thing is for those who aren't that mechanically minded servicing on a well used commuter / touring bike is far too expensive and I can run my 2.0L 150BHP car for far less than a modest 600 - 700cc bike, even when paying for a dealer (non franchised) to service the thing, it cost me less in servicing between 30k and 70k (4 services / 3 MOT's) than the two services my GS had (12k / 18k) and would have been even cheaper had I not bought it overdue for one of those services.

The bike industry love to bang on about the Government ruining biking, but IMO they are half to blame themselves, the days of every UK male under 25 aspiring to the latest pocket rocket, signing up to 30% Finance and then doing 2k a year on it are gone, even those who have bikes as more a hobby than a form of transport (like me) expect some sort of value these days... probably more down to the average biker being the other side of 40 these days - older, wiser, tighter :D
 
VW 2 litre TDI, light came on at 22,000 - Service £107 all in.

R1200 GS, every year or 6000 - £260 all in.

Guess which one left a bad taste in my mouth?

You need to go to BGM. Seriously. I am not going to dispute that the car is cheaper to run than the bike (last two 12k serices cost £98 & £148(, but servicing my bike is 1/3 the cost it was (£260/£400) using main dealers and it doesn't break down anymore either. First 60k main dealer. Next 40k BGM. I have listed the numerous failures on this bike elsewhere on this forum..... the only one that has been in the last 40k was the wiring loom (because the main dealer accessed the clutch, ups the rear subframe, lowers rear subframe, traps wiring loom).

And yes, when I bought the GS new in 2001 I owned a 1990 Golf. Since then I have bought a brand new Subaru Forester (2003) and a Fiat Multipla (2008), and a second hand 2002 BMW R1100S. I will never buy another BMW bike brand new. Not sure whether that is because when it all went pear shaped BMW UK just said 'it's the dealers liability', and the dealer said 'we have changed owners, not the same company so nothing to do with us'.

Gosh, starting to sound like 'the sanguine'...and it's not even darts night.
 
Discs/pads are a wear item surely????? Can't believe any manufacturer would replace under warranty?? You'll be saying that Tyres are covered next...:D

As a Service Manager at a BMW dealer for over 20 years
that info is accurate and comes from the horses mouth
tyres dont come in to it

the amount of bikes that come into dealers with pads on the metal is unbelievable

:thumb2


So, BMW dealers replace worn out discs and pads under warranty?? Sorry horses mouth or not I just can't see that happening....I do believe that as a dealer you will see bikes with pads down to the metal... But surely the conversation is "knobber, you've worn your pads down to the backing plate... That will be ££££"....
 
Bollocks about the intervals & relative stress for a car Vis a Vis Motorcycle engine.

A crankshaft averaging 5-6,000 rpm still needs the same lubrication whether the cylinders are cooled with air, water, liquid nitrogen, Marolyn Monroe's tears etc etc.

This new LC engine now produces 125 :nenau BHP? There's extra stress without all the other performance enhancements.

Bear in mind that most cars only average 3000rpm and generally have twice the amount of cylinders rotating on the crank, that's a hell of a lot less stress!

Check a Honda S2000. 2 litres, 260bhp (JDM engine) rev to 9.5K. Service interval: 9000 miles.
Cost: Circa £100.

Myke
 
one of the reasons that manufacturers like BMW have services intervals at 6,000 miles is due to brake pads wearing out before the service interval is up
this saves them a fortune having to replace discs and pads under warranty
any longer intervals would cost them plenty


simples :rob

Interesting idea. Main dealer always tried to replace the pads on my GS at 6k regardles of how worn they were, on the basis that they 'might wear out before next service'. I always pointed out the wear rate etc, but they were intransient. Pads averaged 24k, disks lasted 90k.

Had a pad warning light on my Fiat the other day. 30k, so I took it to the garage. According to guy at garage manufacturers used to run 3 pads to 1 set of disks. But (either because of asbestos being banned, or because too many punters ran the first set of pads down so far they damaged the disks) they are now designed for 1 and 1: ie pads will now last 30-40k (as opposed to 20k) and disks last the same (as opposed to 60k).

Can't confirm personally as car has done 30k and pads/disks are less than half worn, but then I don't generally use the brakes as they slow me down.
 
As an earlier post said, most people have bikes as a hobby not a main form of transport....spending excessively on a hobby is not unheard of..can't see the issue tbh.
 
I hope BMW have realised tall bikes fall over. Its a fact of life, and looking at the scuffed rocker boxes and guards on bikes for sale in my local dealers its not something they try hide.
I hope BMW have considered this on the new GS. On a small down hill slope my GS was knocked off its stand, rolled onto the plastic head guard, continued rolling until the spark plug cap, rocker cover, hand guard, black plastic tank side panel, BMW badge, Pillion footrest, Screen, Indicator, Hand guard, and top box had sustained considerable scuff damage. Not bad for 0 mph. Will the damage now include radiator and rad guard?
I notice at £11500 they still do not fit any guarding as standard despite the cost to them being only a few pounds.

As an alternative to the BM I have fancied the new Ducati Multistada, our local dealer has a beautiful top spec model in, 12500 miles. The first 7500service is reasonable but the 15000 service is £800. I also doubt it would fall over without much damage.
 


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