LC Service intervals a disgrace
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Yes but the first service wasn't. Just as well it was 25000 miles as well since it was a 4 or 5 hour job to check the valves minimum and not the 45min job it is on the gs
the point is - the tech was there back then to give the service interval.
larger valves have more surface area - less seat erosion
bmw are taking the almighty piss
larger valves have more surface area - less seat erosion
bmw are taking the almighty piss
jonnyp
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Many FZ750's around these days?
1130cc
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I guess the whole of the Triumph engine is water cooled, and just a smidgen of it.
Little-Brit
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There's a lot of codswallop spouted in this thread regarding service periods.
Motorcycles aren't cars, they aren't engineered for minimal servicing, other factors are far more important to most of the customers; weight, performance, dynamics.
"Mundane" things like servicing and fuel consumption tend to come lower down the list than they do for car buyers. If they didn't we would all have been riding around on Honda's very good NC700 for years.
And servicing a motorcycle should involve rather more than tappets and oil! The low weight, high power of motorcycles has always meant that the vehicle is more highly stressed than a comparable car. I want to be sure that all fixings, brake and cycle parts are healthy when I ride. Many of these things are time rather than mile sensitive and I am not unhappy with service intervals at 6, 000 miles, a fair estimate of most peoples annual milage (just do a quick survey of bikes offerred for sale to prove that).
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I'm looking forward to a nice taster in the next few weeks
Motorcycles aren't cars, they aren't engineered for minimal servicing, other factors are far more important to most of the customers; weight, performance, dynamics.
"Mundane" things like servicing and fuel consumption tend to come lower down the list than they do for car buyers. If they didn't we would all have been riding around on Honda's very good NC700 for years.
And servicing a motorcycle should involve rather more than tappets and oil! The low weight, high power of motorcycles has always meant that the vehicle is more highly stressed than a comparable car. I want to be sure that all fixings, brake and cycle parts are healthy when I ride. Many of these things are time rather than mile sensitive and I am not unhappy with service intervals at 6, 000 miles, a fair estimate of most peoples annual milage (just do a quick survey of bikes offerred for sale to prove that).
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I'm looking forward to a nice taster in the next few weeks
There's a lot of codswallop spouted in this thread regarding service periods.
Motorcycles aren't cars, they aren't engineered for minimal servicing, other factors are far more important to most of the customers; weight, performance, dynamics.
"Mundane" things like servicing and fuel consumption tend to come lower down the list than they do for car buyers. If they didn't we would all have been riding around on Honda's very good NC700 for years.
And servicing a motorcycle should involve rather more than tappets and oil! The low weight, high power of motorcycles has always meant that the vehicle is more highly stressed than a comparable car. I want to be sure that all fixings, brake and cycle parts are healthy when I ride. Many of these things are time rather than mile sensitive and I am not unhappy with service intervals at 6, 000 miles, a fair estimate of most peoples annual milage (just do a quick survey of bikes offerred for sale to prove that).
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. I'm looking forward to a nice taster in the next few weeks
I think the point here is that service intervals haven't moved on with the GS for over a decade but engineering has. Other manufacturers such as KTM are extending their intervals but the mighty BMW seems incapable. I think this is a case f taking the piss....but then we are all entitled to our own opinion.
As for checking the fixings, personally i wouldn't leave it to the service and check out my bike on a regular basis.
fishburger
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Do the fecking servicing yourselves....
Problem solved...
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The best answer to the problem yet,change oil and filters every 6000km,and a visual/or hands on brake caliber and wheel bolts.
My dealer says the oil is good for 10000km,but I change at 6000-7000km.never had a problem on any of my bikes.Its a BMW for FFS
I am happy with basic service (oil change and check nothings hanging off) every 6k, but tapetts or shims really ought to go a bit further.
Yamaha's have been 25k or thereabouts for years and that includes the Super Tenere which is a big twin like the GS, but goes four times further between checks - and even then often nothing needs changing.
Plus anyone can do an oil change and most owners could do the 6k / 12k / 18k service on my Yamaha and for about £150 for all three in oil / parts with basic tools and no need for complex diagnostics.
I must admit at 24k the shims are a bastard of a job, but that is the case on any modern bike except the GS - which needs them checked four times as often - overall probably the same effort, but for the home novice it is probably a bit daunting and am I right in thinking you also need some electronic gizmo to setup the throttle nbodies afterwards?
Yamaha's have been 25k or thereabouts for years and that includes the Super Tenere which is a big twin like the GS, but goes four times further between checks - and even then often nothing needs changing.
Plus anyone can do an oil change and most owners could do the 6k / 12k / 18k service on my Yamaha and for about £150 for all three in oil / parts with basic tools and no need for complex diagnostics.
I must admit at 24k the shims are a bastard of a job, but that is the case on any modern bike except the GS - which needs them checked four times as often - overall probably the same effort, but for the home novice it is probably a bit daunting and am I right in thinking you also need some electronic gizmo to setup the throttle nbodies afterwards?
None of this grumbling will significantly change sales of the bikes, if it did BMW would make the necessary changes...
BTW, the only thing that might normally go out of adjustment and cause uneven running might be the throttle butterflies. Mr BMW could have made them self-adjusting on the new 'fly by wire' WC by sampling the vacuum while your riding, it's perfectly double and would be a nice step forward, if they haven't, they want you in the service shop.
I service mine once a year whether it needs it or not
BTW, the only thing that might normally go out of adjustment and cause uneven running might be the throttle butterflies. Mr BMW could have made them self-adjusting on the new 'fly by wire' WC by sampling the vacuum while your riding, it's perfectly double and would be a nice step forward, if they haven't, they want you in the service shop.
I service mine once a year whether it needs it or not
Little-Brit
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I've serviced my own bikes for most of the last 40 years but choose not to now when I want the comfort of the manufacturers warranty and any good will going when just out of it too.
From the manufacturers point of view I can see that making sure you see the thing every year is a way of ensuring everything is ok.
As for engineering moving on that is a fair point but advances are most often used to improve performance rather than service life.
Incidentally I was told on Friday at Wollaston BMW that the first valve clearance check is at 18, 000 miles. Not too shabby.
From the manufacturers point of view I can see that making sure you see the thing every year is a way of ensuring everything is ok.
As for engineering moving on that is a fair point but advances are most often used to improve performance rather than service life.
Incidentally I was told on Friday at Wollaston BMW that the first valve clearance check is at 18, 000 miles. Not too shabby.
Jester
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Is 10000 miles or annually (whichever comes first) too much to ask for in this modern age of precision engineering?
agreed
StumpyFingers
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What type of valve adjustment does the bike have?
If it is shims the interval could be longer but traditional screw and nut adjusters tend to wear faster.
My f800 needs doing at 12000 miles so why would the big bike need it more often?
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If it is shims the interval could be longer but traditional screw and nut adjusters tend to wear faster.
My f800 needs doing at 12000 miles so why would the big bike need it more often?
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1130cc
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Is 10000 miles or annually (whichever comes first) too much to ask for in this modern age of precision engineering?
That would be nice, it would mean only 2 services a year.
That could be a "free" set of tyres.
I have a nice simple saying, when it comes to buying stuff......
"If you need to think/worry about the running costs, you can not afford it!
david a hall
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What does this mean?I think long and hard about the running costs of all the vehicles I own. There is a difference between being cost aware and in denial about your outgoings.
1130cc
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True, when I first buy a vehicle I look at the service costs, and possibly the mpg.
I then decide to buy or not.
After that the running costs only become relevant when you become aware its falling apart, and has become a money pit, imho.
david a hall
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So your original post is horse shit then?
1130cc
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This is a bit like the running cost question.
Over analysed and over complicated.
Me. What is the average service cost?
Seller. £xxx
Me. Yes/No.
Hardly "thinking/worrying"
david a hall
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This is a bit like the running cost question.
Over analysed and over complicated.
Me. What is the average service cost?
Seller. £xxx
Me. Yes/No.
Hardly "thinking/worrying"
I have no issue with you or your service plan, but you make a daft arsed statement then contradict it.
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