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Was out yesterday with a mate who’s just bought a Triumph Tiger 1200GT Pro Explorer ( road focused one with the 30l tank)

I’ve been keen to have a go as I liked the previous 1200 and 800 though never owned either.

Straight away its very comfortable, more so than the GS. Seat is firmer than the heated seat I have on my 1250GS which I think is a good thing and the riding position felt spot on to me.

The bike was in road mode and I thought it felt very eager, twist and away it went, engine spins up a lot quicker, I’d say bordering on snatchy, almost caught me out. In slow moving traffic I’d say it almost made it tricky to maintain a steady gap to the vehicle in front. You’d probably dial onto it pretty quickly but it’s how it felt on a 20 minute ride.
Feels quicker than the GS, could be the way the throttle is, almost sort on/off, like it’s been set to be very sporty.
Felt very planted and nimble for such a big bike though when we turned around my mate said that he found the GS a lot more confidence inspiring than the Tiger at slow speed.

What was a surprised is how mechanical it feels, you feel everything the engine and gearbox is doing though the bike, maybe it makes it engaging/ exciting to ride, maybe it’s a little unpleasant?
It’s a very sporty feeling bike. Though I do wonder if that may be a bit too much when long distance touring when you just want to chill? I think I’d have to get one on the motorway for an hour or so before I committed. After riding my GS my mate said the tiger felt agricultural, I wouldn’t have put it quite that strongly but it’s not far off. Almost like there was something not quite right with it.

I liked the original tiger 1200, so smooth but still punchy and then 800 was probably the smoothest engine I’ve ever ridden, I like smooth engines, The GS I’d say is a lot smoother feeling than the new Tiger, like the rider is a little more isolated from what’s going on if you know what I mean.
Wind protection felt better than the GS, screen felt as if it worked better. The dash seemed a little fussy and controls would take a while to get used to. GS is more intuitive I’d say.
The quick shifter is night and day better than the BMW, is superb, I’d say better than the XR1000 too, excellent.

I’ve always liked the Triumph Tigers and very nearly bought one when the first hit the market, only a friends experience with the cylinder head issue they had put me off.

The new one is lighter and faster and supposedly better but I’m really not sure about the way the engine feels, I do wonder if I’d find the vibration/maybe harshness through the bike tiresome. For me I’d have preferred the engine to have retained the refinement of the previous version.

If I was sat in a dealer tomorrow ready to sign on the dotted for a GS or a Tiger ( current engine paint issue aside) I’d choose the BMW again, just.
My mate said he’d choose the tiger so just goes to show we’re all different.
 
I recently had a test ride on the 1200GT Explorer and my experience was similar to what you have described.

I too found it very comfortable but it seemed to be to be difficult to ride smoothly at lower speeds (in my non engineering view I wondered if the fuelling was not quite right). A bit snatchy on/off at low throttle. On the other hand, it was very nimble (perhaps more so than the GSA) and I didn't notice any of the roughness associated with the T Plane Crank which I have read about. I agree with you that it seemed to be a more sporty set up than the GSA.

All in all, a great bike but I bought another GSA and I'm happy with my choice. Not only is the GSA superb, the fact that I already had the three piece luggage, and that I got a better trade in from the BMW dealer helped my decision

As you say, there are a range of opinions and views, none of them necessarily wrong, just different
 
Great reviews! Interesting! Also had a test ride on a Tiger a few weeks ago.

Loved it! I was surprised how good it was.

The mid-range power (where I spend most of my time in the 2250-6000 rpm area) the Tiger felt great. I did not notice any snatchiness but maybe the mode it was in? I did not check what mode mine was set to... I only noticed vibes above 6000 rpm, when it sets off like a scalded cat! I have heard people say the engine gets smoother with mileage...

In fairness GS/GSA and Tiger all have plenty of power for my needs, but the useable power for overtakes etc in any gear in mid-range power is plentiful. The Triumph did feel slightly more "urgent" when overtaking in higher gears at say 50mph, I guess that's the extra BHP, and few KG's lightness making it's presence known

As you say, agile and sharp handling. The Stylema (better Brembos than fitted to GS) felt powerful without being snatchy. I expected to feel lots of fork dive, but it was better here than I expected. Even tho I rode the 30ltr tank option it felt sharper and more agile than a GS with 20ltr tank.

It feels lighter, no suggestion to me about higher CoG

IMO it's let-down by luggage options, all the OEM options include "scaffolding" which is a big negative for me (I love Varios, but rarely use them unless on a bigger trip or 2-up, I travel light and use an Enduristan bag on back seat for solo 1-2 night trips). I believe SWMotech do a QR pannier frame set to overcome this.

I'll also miss the wonderwheel, but as I'm about to bin NAV6 in favour of XT, I guess there's no difference there. I did not get chance to play with the joystick.

I thought the weather protection/buffetting was better than GS (not ridden a GSA recently), and the riding position excellent.
Riding position - Like a GS/A you could ride all day and still walk after. I think the Tiger would be ideal for my long trips.
Unlike GS you don't need mudsling as it has one from the factory.
Did not ride at night but I understand the bike has back-lit switchgear.
I also preferred the function of the remote key (for those that don't know, on Tiger the remote key has a button to press which then makes the remote key "live" for about 30 seconds - a bit like some cars that re-lock themselves if you don't open a door within 30 seconds of pressing the "blipper").
The heated grips look like an awful add-on (may as well go with Oxford heated grips).
Better servicing intervals (10,000 miles) for those of us that try to do a couple of Euro trips a year. The 20k service is a very expensive job tho, it looks like valve clearances are a bit of a nightmare!
HEX have released an EZCAN now so you can transfer your Denali kit over and get same functionality! (sadly the GS-911 does not work on the Tiger)
No spoke wheel option unless you go with larger front wheel, and buy the off-road version of the Tiger (I have a CRF300 for that!)
I also prefer what I have seen of the dealer network. My local BMW dealers are add-ons to BMW car dealerships, and not "bike shops", I have not been pleased with my recent visits to BMW dealers for service/repairs. It's all a bit too sterile and like dealing with a call centre rather than motorcycle enthusiasts, the Triumph dealer network seems a bit better IMO

Having only ridden a XR briefly, I would say the Tiger has hints of the GS and the XR, making a great bike... Like a crossover taking good parts from the GS and good parts from the XR

Sorely tempted. I can see why BMW feel the need to go with R1300GS ;) It's highly likely I'll be defecting to Triumph soon ;)
 
I thought the one i tried ran like a bag of nails with a lot of fork dive, and yes i know ive got Telelever front suspension on my GS.
Each to the own I guess
 
I liked the one I ride, but as others pointed out, no telelever, which I much prefer on my road bikes these days.
 
Hugely subjective segment just now. And going mental.....24k plus for that new Ducati Rally. Fucuk that for a game of soldiers. I am due to replace my 2016 LC soon I think, holding off for the new 1300, however some really good deals on the KTM's just now.
 
Hugely subjective segment just now. And going mental.....24k plus for that new Ducati Rally. Fucuk that for a game of soldiers. I am due to replace my 2016 LC soon I think, holding off for the new 1300, however some really good deals on the KTM's just now.

...and you don't think the 1300 will be £24k?
:D
 
Re the fork dive on the Triumph. My understanding is that you can all but eliminate it on the suspension settings :okay

I never hit the brakes hard enough I guess, tend to use engine braking and anticipation. I didn't notice any excessive dive...
 
Yup, bike prices are insane now as said above .
I really can’t see the point in paying over £20k for the latest big bike when you can get a new Transalp for £9.5k.
The new 92bhp motor is supposedly amazing according to all the rave reviews,as is the handling .
And it’s nearly 50kgs lighter than a GS or similar.
It’s only really lacking cruise and tubeless rims .
Why pay more than double unless you need to haul huge amount of luggage and a pillion -and even then there are much better bikes for two up rather than a large adventure bike .
 
I was at a BMW dealer yesterday so asked how much it would cost me to change my 2013 TC GSA for a new 1250 GSA - just shy of £16k was the answer so that ship has sailed for me.
 
Martin k , I agree neither do I when riding Normally, but when testing I do like to try harsh acceleration and braking to see how it performs as, when and if ever needed
 
Yup, bike prices are insane now as said above .
I really can’t see the point in paying over £20k for the latest big bike when you can get a new Transalp for £9.5k.
The new 92bhp motor is supposedly amazing according to all the rave reviews,as is the handling .
And it’s nearly 50kgs lighter than a GS or similar.
It’s only really lacking cruise and tubeless rims .
Why pay more than double unless you need to haul huge amount of luggage and a pillion -and even then there are much better bikes for two up rather than a large adventure bike .
50kg lighter? are you comparing it to a GSA ?
 


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