Long Tail backs and Solid centre white line.

So, not a thread about training per say, but just after some opinions really. Would probably be covered in training I guess.

When I picked the bike up last week, it was a lovely gentle ride back for the most part on A-roads for the first part of the Journey - A41 down to the A5.

Came across a couple of sets of roadworks, with traffic lights and VERY long queues of vehicles as the lights phasing was quite short. So, where the road had a broken centre line, waited for the gaps in oncoming traffic and safely at a sensible speed made my way down the line of the traffic while it was stationary - aware and looking out for U-turning cars etc.

However a couple of sections the centre road markings were the solid white lines. What is is the consensus here ? No different from a safety point of view, looking for U-turning cars and very easily see ahead that the traffic is clear in the opposite direction - the solid lines were more to separate traffic from a dual piece of road, rather than blind corners or dips etc. It was such a long delay I did occasionally cross the line but made progress even more steadily. A couple of other bikes passed me, while I sat waiting.

I understand that technically it is completely illegal (maybe), but what would be the difference in crossing the white line if a car had broken down ? For context, it was a very slow line of traffic with lots of standstills and I only passed the line of vehicles while they were stood still.
This is something similar to what I do. If the traffic isn't moving, and there's a solid line, if I can see it's clear ahead and have identified gaps I can slip into if necessary, I overtake the standing/stationary traffic at very low speed not much more than walking pace, an indicator on and my headlight on main beam. I usually find vehicles try to make space. Even without a solid white line my speed is generally about 10mph max as I'm looking for any hint of a vehicle starting to turn out for a U turn.
If the traffic is moving slowly and there's a solid white line I keep within the traffic flow.
The legality of it I don't know, I don't consider it reckless or dangerous and would take my chance in court.
 
This is something similar to what I do. If the traffic isn't moving, and there's a solid line, if I can see it's clear ahead and have identified gaps I can slip into if necessary, I overtake the standing/stationary traffic at very low speed not much more than walking pace, an indicator on and my headlight on main beam. I usually find vehicles try to make space. Even without a solid white line my speed is generally about 10mph max as I'm looking for any hint of a vehicle starting to turn out for a U turn.
If the traffic is moving slowly and there's a solid white line I keep within the traffic flow.
The legality of it I don't know, I don't consider it reckless or dangerous and would take my chance in court.

Rightly, or wrongly, I reckon that's what 90% of us do.
 
Rightly, or wrongly, I reckon that's what 90% of us do.
I don't know about 90%, I often see quite a lot of bikers sitting in lines of traffic when they could safely filter. I think with some it's a confidence thing, and others probably think it's illegal (with or without the solid white line)
 
But should you move to the front of the patient queues of cars, vans and the odd coach at the check-in at the Chunnel or ferry?
 
If it’s a double solid , don’t cross it except for exemptions stated in the Highway Code.
Traffic in this area is stationary, not parked or broken down.
 
A vehicle not moving, i.e in a queue is stationary - right?

So I just looked up the HC and it also says...

“You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 26”
Nope, not in law, it all depends on what is considered "stationary" and if a vehicle with its engine running and moving slowly then stopped is "stationary" In tried case law, "stationary' is a vehicle which is stopped or parked and not ready to move. But its like all things, take your own choices and then deal with the consequences if you get pulled :)
 
Nope, not in law, it all depends on what is considered "stationary" and if a vehicle with its engine running and moving slowly then stopped is "stationary" In tried case law, "stationary' is a vehicle which is stopped or parked and not ready to move. But its like all things, take your own choices and then deal with the consequences if you get pulled :)
But it’s not classed as stationary if it’s in a queue. DAMHIK , I was young and stupid
 
Correct, again it's not classed as stationary if it is in a queue

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UKGSer court to convene please.

“This word ‘Stationary’ M Lord seems to be causing some confusion.”

“What does the dictionary say?”

“Not moving or not intended to be moved, M Lord”

“Bang him up!”
 
Just where does it state the definition of stationary? (Googled it)
Not moving.... OR...... not intended to be moved
A stationary vehicle that IS FOR SURE stopped in a queue, whether momentary or prolonged, then without a definition / clarification stating the contrary, it's stationary as far as I am concerned and solid white line can be crossed to pass, providing it is safe to do so.
But the moment any vehicle ahead starts crawling forward, get back in and wait.
Think the 'to pass a stationary vehicle' is the important piece here for us motorcyclists, as cars generally cannot pass queuing traffic like we can.....but we have to have that safe place to pull in planned ahead when we do pass (in the way that cars can't)
Likewise, in another controversial move, you can overtake moving/stationary vehicles on the approach to a pedestrian crossing, but not the lead vehicle....if it's safe to do so....

Rule 129 HIGHWAY CODE​

Double white lines where the line nearer to you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
 
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