Looking for Black forest advice.
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Yes, the obvious advice would of been "that's in the wrong direction" and it took the Tosser experts 15 posts to notice, so qhat quality of advice is the OP hoping to get here anyway?
It's like saying I want advice on a nice route from Birmingham to Newcastle using the best roads in Cornwall.
As for Black Forest, most of the roads are nice enough, any mapping that shows the built up bits will give you an idea where to skirt around if you can, Michelin maps will show the "scenic" green routes, which tend to be nice and curvy, I prefer My Route App for planning as I can use Google, Michelin, Garmin, Tom Tom map overlays which all have pros and cons so I often switch between them.
B500 has become a bit shit, 20 years ago it was pretty good, mainly 100kph and not as much enforcement, 10 years ago it had a lot more 70kph sections appearing, a couple of years ago and it was nearly all 70 or 50kph (44 / 30) along most of it (well, the famous bit which is the 25 miles south of baden - it runs right down to Swiss border)
If you do detour via Black Forest then go see for yourself, try and avoid weekends when it will be busier and have more plod attention, early morning mid-week is probably best best to run along at an enjoyeable pace without getting locked up.
From Luxembourg you could also head directly east and ride through the Hartz mountains, a small area I have yet to explore, but looks good and won't have the same level of ultra low speed limits and plod focus (I assume)
Ardennes and Luxembourg are all good roads, from there you can ride across Eifel (I have less experience here, but roads seem quite good, but (IMHO) not as good as Luxembourg) and then from there onto Hartz - beyond that point I have zero knowledge, but mate went out that way a few years back and said still some OK back roads - and worth booking a Colditz tour guide.
Personally I would save the Black Forest for another trip, easy to make a good Black Forest trip in under a week, and Vosges are next to it, with Luxembourg to the North, so you can go out to Vosges, have a day riding around there, cross to Black Forest and have another full day looping about there and then return home via Lxembourg and Ardeness (or vice-versa) making for a really good 6-7 day trip, or use a weeks work holiday and mke it 9 days with 3 nights in Voges and Black Forest and night on way out / back in France / Luxembourg.
It is difficult to guess why someone wants to go A (Luxembourg) to B (Black Forest) to C (Colditz Castle), when the logical route would be to go straight to C from A. But that’s what he wants to do.
I tried to give the fellow a subtle hint or two: “As it’s not too direct….”, “Have you got a map?”, “If that’s what you want to do, it’s 750 miles and you want sweeping roads….” as bods get upset when I give the shorter: “That’s a stupid plan”, usually expressed more bluntly.
Of course it might turn out that he does indeed have a fetish for cuckoo clocks or that his wife’s cousin’s aunt lives in Gutach, in the district of Ortenau in Baden-Württemberg and he needs to deliver a 92nd year birthday present. Or it might be as simple as, he’s read on these pages that the world and his wife have been going there for years on their motorbikes (“It’s a must do, mate”) and wants to see what he’s missed.
But hey, we are where we are. We now wait to hear whether the fellow has one day or two or more to make the potentially 750 mile journey A, to B to C and / or whether he’s decided to go to Scotland instead (as once happened with some other fellow, after we’d spent days trying to help him).
I tried to give the fellow a subtle hint or two: “As it’s not too direct….”, “Have you got a map?”, “If that’s what you want to do, it’s 750 miles and you want sweeping roads….” as bods get upset when I give the shorter: “That’s a stupid plan”, usually expressed more bluntly.
Of course it might turn out that he does indeed have a fetish for cuckoo clocks or that his wife’s cousin’s aunt lives in Gutach, in the district of Ortenau in Baden-Württemberg and he needs to deliver a 92nd year birthday present. Or it might be as simple as, he’s read on these pages that the world and his wife have been going there for years on their motorbikes (“It’s a must do, mate”) and wants to see what he’s missed.
But hey, we are where we are. We now wait to hear whether the fellow has one day or two or more to make the potentially 750 mile journey A, to B to C and / or whether he’s decided to go to Scotland instead (as once happened with some other fellow, after we’d spent days trying to help him).
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I guess we are not going to hear from the OP.
Maybe he’s paled off the idea?
Maybe he’s paled off the idea?
Perhaps he couldn’t hack it, with all of the advice and suggestions being thrown at him. 
I think those freedom loving bikers and the entitled ones hooning down the ‘route des Anglais’ in their Range rovers eventually caused the nanny state response. Good cash cow though for the nanny state.Typical at Bol D'or 24 hours @ Paul Ricard circuit in south of France, in the late 1990's...........the A26 autoroute out of Calais, all the way to Marseille in the south - some 500-600 miles, all the Peage booths were coned off, to the far right, for 'Motos' and no tolls levied from early Friday morning to midnight on the Monday, for bikes.
You just went as fast as you wanted
So Motos, just filtered to the right lane and went through the booths at 50-70 mph, with Gendarmes present and then on exiting the peage area, stand up wheelies (MotoGP style) were encouraged by the Gendarmes
Speed limits on the Peage were abolished for Motos, for that 'Bol' weekend and you could ride at 100-120 mph all day long without fear of being nicked and a pending prosecution and more often than not, there were bikes 3 abreast in the outside lane, another 3 bikes abreast in the middle lane (and all cars/lorries strictly kept in the inside lane) - all riding at 120 mph, side by side and every now and again, a rider in the fast lane would brush against a bush in the central barrier and a cloud of dust and leaves would cover everyone, temporarily
Those days were certainly, the best and without any harsh restrictions.................we've lost all that, with the 'nanny states'
Shame you missed those days
The germans I think got fed up of collecting bodies and bikes on the 500 and the 48. Hence the limits and the heavy weekend presence of cops.
I am sure you are right Tony
It was a bit of a 1990’s mad ‘free for all’ and in reality couldn’t continue in 21st century
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