Looks like the GS1300 is happening?

[g.s.john]

Hell I wish BMW would make a smaller, lighter R series GS, maybe 800cc liquid cooled with conventional forks and no electronic suspension, no throttle modes or TC, just defeat-able abs. In other words more like Tenere' 700 than an RT.

You will just get old waiting for BMW to come to that conclusion just buy a T7 you won't be disappointed.

 

[knutk]

Hell I wish BMW would make a smaller, lighter R series GS, maybe 800cc liquid cooled with conventional forks and no electronic suspension, no throttle modes or TC, just defeat-able abs. In other words more like Tenere' 700 than an RT.

Being a foreigner, I some times miss out when people are serious vs just kidding.

But as this is the description of the F800GS, produced from 2008 until 2017, I don't quite get the point. Even the weight is as the T7.

The difference between the F800 and T7 is that since the F800 has 100cc more, it's a bit stronger at low rpm. On the other hand, the T7, being a 270/450 engine revs quicker, and the lack of low end torque is compensated by a lower gearing. For practical purpose, this means that the F800 rpm at 1st gear matches the T7 2nd gear. Both are great bikes, but with a slightly different character.

So why did BMW pull the plug on the F800 and replaced it with the stronger and heavier 850? Sales figures.

While the lighter bikes are better suited for of-road driving, the majority of customers wants comfort and modern features. They are not bothered by the extra weight as a result of the extra features as they hardly drive on the more challenging roads.
And as the world spins, the challenging roads that are available to the public becomes more scares.
Idiots driving like they stole the bike and tear up the road surface cause extra maintenance cost for the owners of the road, and the noise that these magnificent cans that makes the rider feel 'cool' are generally regarded as a nuisance by the general public, and the result is : Road closed for MC

 

[Clifton]

You will just get old waiting for BMW to come to that conclusion just buy a T7 you won't be disappointed.

LOL I'm already old! I have a T7 and quite like it, to the point that I wish BMW designed a similar, more basic motorcycle, only shaft drive. A modern R100GS if you will.

Being a foreigner, I some times miss out when people are serious vs just kidding.

Believe me I have the same problem on this forum! I am serious however.

But as this is the description of the F800GS, produced from 2008 until 2017, I don't quite get the point. Even the weight is as the T7.

The difference between the F800 and T7 is that since the F800 has 100cc more, it's a bit stronger at low rpm. On the other hand, the T7, being a 270/450 engine revs quicker, and the lack of low end torque is compensated by a lower gearing. For practical purpose, this means that the F800 rpm at 1st gear matches the T7 2nd gear. Both are great bikes, but with a slightly different character.

The F650/800 were pretty nice bikes but IMO neither were as well dialed in for rough dirt roads nor were they as robust. The F650 (I owned a 2009) was geared *way* too tall, but a one tooth smaller countershaft sprocket improved it to just a bit taller than the F800GS. Both motors, differing only in tune, were not as polished as the CP2, nor did they feel as torquey at low rpm. IMO both F800 and T700 gear ratios are too close and 6th gear too short.

So why did BMW pull the plug on the F800 and replaced it with the stronger and heavier 850?

I think BMW recognized the shortcomings of the chassis and weight distribution and addressed them, unfortunately doing so bloated them up somewhat. I had the pleasure of demoing a F750 in Arizona for a couple hours and I came away pretty impressed feeling it's a nice all around standard motorcycle, but built with a parallel twin Chinese motor, chain drive, and fairly heavy. The R800GS that I imagine would feature none of those three. And it'll never happen....

 

[yofi]

I was just doing a search for any rumours on new r1250gs releases for this autumn - idle curiosity really - when I came across some posts, from some months back, by ynguldyn on Adv Rider. This person has access to release information and dates, and I can tell you he has been absolutely bang on with his information on BMW cars (throughout the range) over the past 3 years. He's not an employee but evidently (as a matter of proven record) has an inside track. Anyway, he's what he has written. (It's always possible that somebody is pretending to be ynguldyn but if so he writes just the same.)

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The R 1250 GS in its current form will be produced until 2023 (May for GS and October for GSA), at which point it will be replaced by the R 1300 GS. It will be a brand new motor, not just a reworking of the existing one.

The parallel models will also be in production until October 2023. Their replacement is not yet clear but could actually be a 1200cc bike, however strange that sounds.

Details about R 1300 GS. New features (most will be optional):
- electronic height adjustment
- improved Enduro mode
- central locking like on Ks and RT
- electric adjustment for the windshield
- configurable adaptive light
- rear radar
- M carbon package

You will be still be able to choose Exclusive, Rallye or TB styles, there will be the two familiar spoked wheel designs plus a forged Enduro wheel and a 719 wheel options, same selection of seats as now, and, surprisingly, it appears it'll keep a separate GPS unit setup.

In your garages starting Fall 2023.

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Not wholly surprised that it might not get the 10" screen, due to size restrictions.