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Bingo! It’s all about the profit.
Yep and KTM are no different, maybe not the same bike, but still same problems.
https://motorbikewriter.com/spokes-failure-forces-ktm-recall/
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Bit extreme. Other bikes have other problems.
Just rattle a spanner over them each time you wash it. You'll soon hear a loose one.
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Request new alloys at no extra cost.
until BMW get their shit together with these deathtrap spokes.Clutching at straws posting a 4 year old news item there Shaun.
This issue with BMW has been going on for a long time now, and there doesn’t seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel.
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Clutching at straws posting a 4 year old news item there Shaun.
This issue with BMW has been going on for a long time now, and there doesn’t seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel.
Actually not Rich just pointing out most bikes with spokes seem to have their own problems in the last few years, and it certainly is down to penny pinching cheap alloy, spokes are great when they do their job, for sure give me a real good spoked wheel over a Alloy, if a serious pothole is hit, but my bike is limited to gravel, so no spokes for me, although I really think they just look right on the bike, article below made I larf.
https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2019/january/bmw-r1200gs-r-ninet-loose-spokes/
A wheel that disintegrates is terrible. Looking at the pictures, both front end and rear has taken damage. Though, I'm not able to say if rear damage is the result from the collapsing front.
But take at look at the picture from the front hub. The spokes have been pulled out, practically shredding off the collar of the nuts.
This does not make sense. I have seen how much beating the spoked wheels can handle (even the LC), and this type of damage from just riding on a flat surface?
I do not doubt that the accident happened, but some how it does not make sense. I get the feeling that we have not heard the whole story.
I have had spoked bikes aging from -70's and on, and spokes have never been an issue. It's a fairly simple system where there is not much that can go wrong.
I will not speculate to what went wrong. But to put it this way. I intend to keep riding my spoked bikes without staying awake at night...
But take at look at the picture from the front hub. The spokes have been pulled out, practically shredding off the collar of the nuts.
This does not make sense. I have seen how much beating the spoked wheels can handle (even the LC), and this type of damage from just riding on a flat surface?
I do not doubt that the accident happened, but some how it does not make sense. I get the feeling that we have not heard the whole story.
I have had spoked bikes aging from -70's and on, and spokes have never been an issue. It's a fairly simple system where there is not much that can go wrong.
I will not speculate to what went wrong. But to put it this way. I intend to keep riding my spoked bikes without staying awake at night...
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Well the very first thread we seen was the guy on the motorway, his rear totally collapsed, he was quite loaded up though, is that maybe part of the problem, weight on wheels, and I would imagine also if the guy in Israel was off into the desert, he was loaded like a camel, full of water fuel, and extra handbags etx, and might just have hit a rock, who knows, and given this is in Israel, the bloke will not be giving his money away freely.
Well the very first thread we seen was the guy on the motorway, his rear totally collapsed, he was quite loaded up though, is that maybe part of the problem, weight on wheels, and I would imagine also if the guy in Israel was off into the desert, he was loaded like a camel, full of water fuel, and extra handbags etx, and might just have hit a rock, who knows, and given this is in Israel, the bloke will not be giving his money away freely.
Phwooar man! Don't open the stereo-typing door!!
Spokes on the early 1200's seem good enough, believe they were made by Behr, mine have 42k miles on them all tinging, no tonging
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Not me that opened the door seem the mothership have done it themselves, by changing something in the last few years.
Well the very first thread we seen was the guy on the motorway, his rear totally collapsed, he was quite loaded up though, is that maybe part of the problem, weight on wheels, and I would imagine also if the guy in Israel was off into the desert, he was loaded like a camel, full of water fuel, and extra handbags etx, and might just have hit a rock, who knows, and given this is in Israel, the bloke will not be giving his money away freely.
No luggage apart from tailbag. Looks like AT is popular, notice nobody has any luggage.
The actual incident
[video]https://www.facebook.com/nir.shiler.5/videos/pcb.2959000044325757/678736962538059/?type=3&ifg=1&__tn__=HH-R&eid=ARARvpvJJ9mbSyGtl7CfoS9nNqS40pGpUKyvV1-xFYZzK_tGzr7yC1-QiLSolpioDrWJAOKsuSpyA2wd[/video]
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What I find strange in this one, is front and rear failure, that front sure looks like it has hit something or fallen down a hole, but video shows no hole, and as all the spokes are out in a similar way, very strange, wonder what the objects right and left of the rider where when he went down, luggage, rocks...
The front wheel was brand new, the bod was saying that some of the rear spokes were adjusted at the time when the new wheel was fitted . Question is, was the failure at the rear the same spokes that were adjusted?
There is only one dealer, so there isn't much choice were to go. Secondly BMW sold only 300 units this year ( the 850 been the most popular ) and the same the year before, so maybe the failures affect those who go off road and or overload the bike?
To many variables, however I am sure that BMW has engaged somebody to do a test to destruction...
Yeah they have.... they're customers . It's called Ze BETA test program
Not really, you can’t trust the customer. Liars, the lot of them. Let’s see if the problem is solved with the September batch, usually they do some improvements after the shut down. Maybe....
There are reports of wheel collapsing whilst Behr still made the wheels, ISTR that there was a case reported in these forums about 3 years ago, possibly longer ago, where it was thought the rear caliper had come away and gone through the spokes, but from what I remember, the reason it collapsed wasn't conclusive. There were a few other similar incidents at about the same time. However, I don't remember any reports of loose spokes at this time, but that is not to say that it wasn't the reason for the collapse on Behr manufactured wheels.
Admittedly, there has been a problem with loose spokes being reported since manufacture was switched from Behr, and it's highly likely some of these have collapsed as a result.
Had a spoke on my rear wheel vanish...as in completely vanish (2016 bike). New one fitted and no problems since. I think it must have been made of water soluble high tension rice paper...
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