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robeekay67 said:
I wasn't aware of this!
Which 'other makes of bikes' (main agents I presume) charge half the B*W rates?
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I wasn't aware of this!
Which 'other makes of bikes' (main agents I presume) charge half the B*W rates?
In the interests of comparison - seeing as no-one else has catalogued it -
Jack Lilley - shepperton - Triumph main dealer - £45 +vat / hour
SPC- ALTON- bmw dealer -55 +vat / hour
Infinity motorcycles - farnborough - bike supermarket- £49 + vat / hour
VINES -Guildford - £ 57 + vat / hour.
So - yes BMW are more expensive - even reassuringly expensive - but not double by a long way..
So Mr. Robeekay67 ? what you gotta say to that ?
Got any facts and figures to back up your statements.
I just spent 5 mins ringing up to get these FACTS - SO THEY ARE CURRENT AS OF TODAY.
your call.
Phil
Jack Lilley - shepperton - Triumph main dealer - £45 +vat / hour
SPC- ALTON- bmw dealer -55 +vat / hour
Infinity motorcycles - farnborough - bike supermarket- £49 + vat / hour
VINES -Guildford - £ 57 + vat / hour.
So - yes BMW are more expensive - even reassuringly expensive - but not double by a long way..
So Mr. Robeekay67 ? what you gotta say to that ?
Got any facts and figures to back up your statements.
I just spent 5 mins ringing up to get these FACTS - SO THEY ARE CURRENT AS OF TODAY.
your call.
Phil
robeekay67
How can you base your argument on the price of a job should be linked to the age of the technology in question?
Do you carry this logic over into other aspects of your life?
E.g.
I expect those spuds to be at Elizabethan prices Mr Greengrocer.
I expect my house to be built at Victorian prices Mr Builder.
Etc. etc.
kalahari
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oh robeekay this should cheer up 
if u wanted a test ride from triumph from on u bike excess 1000 and they charge 25pounds for a test ride. 12000 miles service on a tiger only 400pounds sir feel beter yet
if u wanted a test ride from triumph from on u bike excess 1000 and they charge 25pounds for a test ride. 12000 miles service on a tiger only 400pounds sir feel beter yet
BBB61
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Be careful all you guys out there replying to Robeekay. I received a couple of private messages from him late last night, both of which were abusive. It seems he is incapable of maintaining a good debate.
Bob
Bob
yam man
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hilarious
hi..thankfully i no longer ride a bmw, havent done for a couple of years but pal of mine told me about this discussion so i thought id take a look.
well, my own experiences with my dream bmw werent very favourable either from beginning to end and the quality of mechanics i suffered to keep the log book current was simply unbelievable.
come trade in time it got worse and i was further amazed at the depreciation the bike suffered having been sold the strory 18 months previous ALL bmw's are in demand and they depreciate the least. it also made me regret washing and polishing the thing every sunday. i had a good laugh at the comments left by some of your dealers...get the collecting tins out please!!
oh nearly forgot, the cost of parts was also horrendous when compared to 'jap crap'. i also noticed a decent turn over of mechanics during this time and i put it down to their bosses piling the pressure on to turn the bikes around. it was noticable on the 3 occassions i had problems with the bike as it was away for ages 'waiting for parts'!
the end result, i bailed out of bmw and havent looked back either.
robeekay has raised some really decent points here and the trouble i think your site suffers is if there are problems, too few of you will show your support. you bike is very much flawed and you're mistaken if you think otherwise.
spending over £45 per hour for any service is frightening and, maybe im lucky, but my local FRANCHISED 100% kosher yam dealers in my area are £33.5 and £35 p/h respectively. so why are you lot surprised at someone else getting those rates? robeekay also nails it on the technology thing...1150 gs was never the height of tech was it? as so many of you have confidently stated, its easy to service..so why so much money in a official workshop? please dont counter with the service it yourself argument .....you all know how you like the stamps in your logs for those warranty repairs??...thats why i send mine in for the stamp too.....mind you, never made a claim since i went jap!
and my experiences with the jap bikes? well, smoother, as comfortable as the gs. need far less mods spent on them. servcing cost way lower and when something does go wrong its minor gear boxes great. clutches light. what do i miss about the gs? yes it was individual, good handling great luggage but so clunky and those lights....and take it off road? your kidding..... and so costly...
ive enjoyed reading the comments (no names mentioned) but some of you really should step out of your box sometimes and maybe think whether you support a bike manufacturer who likes making you pay and who could do better?
so respect robeekay, theres a lot of bikers from other communities who wouldnt buy bmw for every reason you stated.....just seem the guys here have problems seeing it too!
if you guys got your act together and did voice problems to bmw uk, they might even listen. it worked with honda regarding the vfr vtec service cost and lets face it, rusting wheels and fork braces on a 9k bike was a bit bad, dont you think?(they may have subsequently changed itto be fair)
happy biking to you all and give robeekay a break, from the outside looking in, hes hit some fine sore points with you lot who seem to be in a bit of a denial.....xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
hi..thankfully i no longer ride a bmw, havent done for a couple of years but pal of mine told me about this discussion so i thought id take a look.
well, my own experiences with my dream bmw werent very favourable either from beginning to end and the quality of mechanics i suffered to keep the log book current was simply unbelievable.
come trade in time it got worse and i was further amazed at the depreciation the bike suffered having been sold the strory 18 months previous ALL bmw's are in demand and they depreciate the least. it also made me regret washing and polishing the thing every sunday. i had a good laugh at the comments left by some of your dealers...get the collecting tins out please!!
oh nearly forgot, the cost of parts was also horrendous when compared to 'jap crap'. i also noticed a decent turn over of mechanics during this time and i put it down to their bosses piling the pressure on to turn the bikes around. it was noticable on the 3 occassions i had problems with the bike as it was away for ages 'waiting for parts'!
the end result, i bailed out of bmw and havent looked back either.
robeekay has raised some really decent points here and the trouble i think your site suffers is if there are problems, too few of you will show your support. you bike is very much flawed and you're mistaken if you think otherwise.
spending over £45 per hour for any service is frightening and, maybe im lucky, but my local FRANCHISED 100% kosher yam dealers in my area are £33.5 and £35 p/h respectively. so why are you lot surprised at someone else getting those rates? robeekay also nails it on the technology thing...1150 gs was never the height of tech was it? as so many of you have confidently stated, its easy to service..so why so much money in a official workshop? please dont counter with the service it yourself argument .....you all know how you like the stamps in your logs for those warranty repairs??...thats why i send mine in for the stamp too.....mind you, never made a claim since i went jap!
and my experiences with the jap bikes? well, smoother, as comfortable as the gs. need far less mods spent on them. servcing cost way lower and when something does go wrong its minor gear boxes great. clutches light. what do i miss about the gs? yes it was individual, good handling great luggage but so clunky and those lights....and take it off road? your kidding..... and so costly...
ive enjoyed reading the comments (no names mentioned) but some of you really should step out of your box sometimes and maybe think whether you support a bike manufacturer who likes making you pay and who could do better?
so respect robeekay, theres a lot of bikers from other communities who wouldnt buy bmw for every reason you stated.....just seem the guys here have problems seeing it too!
if you guys got your act together and did voice problems to bmw uk, they might even listen. it worked with honda regarding the vfr vtec service cost and lets face it, rusting wheels and fork braces on a 9k bike was a bit bad, dont you think?(they may have subsequently changed itto be fair)
happy biking to you all and give robeekay a break, from the outside looking in, hes hit some fine sore points with you lot who seem to be in a bit of a denial.....xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
BBB61
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Yam man, servicing costs in London are much higher than out of London. Rex Judd, a Yamaha main dealer charge £47. The dealer in London where I bought my Triumph in 1999 ( also a Yamaha dealer) were charging £47 an hour back in 2000. They also had a high turnover of mechanics.
The trouble with Robeekay is that he has tried to compare franchised dealers with independent mechanics, rather than to compare franchised dealers in the same area. You can make comparisons like that but they have no credibility.
As for the technology thing, BMW were the first to offer ABS on bikes, one of the first to go with fuel injection (unlike the japanese manufacturers who dabbled in it for years) not to mention using the telelever front end and making it work.
Parts prices in my experience are no worse than the competiton either.
Bob
The trouble with Robeekay is that he has tried to compare franchised dealers with independent mechanics, rather than to compare franchised dealers in the same area. You can make comparisons like that but they have no credibility.
As for the technology thing, BMW were the first to offer ABS on bikes, one of the first to go with fuel injection (unlike the japanese manufacturers who dabbled in it for years) not to mention using the telelever front end and making it work.
Parts prices in my experience are no worse than the competiton either.
Bob
yam man
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bob.
im not going to do any more monster replies cos this isnt my site, i dropped by out of curiousity.
i saw you mentioned about the official /unofficial thing several times. well from this side of the fence, unofficial servicing agents in my area are cheaper still and as someone mentioned already, the vat registration decides whether your warraty claims are upheld by an indie. a lot of guys use the indies from new round my way and have never said a word against them.
as for level of expertise, id say the indies are better than official as its a way of life for them as opposed to a job (one is an ex bmw mech)so comparing them? why not?
maybe cos the japs are less prone to claims the official companies are more tolerent of this but having said that, we have some local mechs who are the muts and if i want my bikes tuned or set up im there like a shot! so i guess from my perspective the easier nature of looking after our bikes makes the differenciation between an indie and a franchised not so clear. either way, they are cheaper than what you boys pay im afraid! (as said previously bob, max round my way is 35 quid official, 25 indie)
when i had my lump, it didnt even enter my head to get it serviced outside the loop. in hindsight i wish i had; it would have saved me much money and a lot of agro with pompous dealers (they know who they are still hehehehheehe)...and who knows i may still be riding one now??? naaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
anyway thats it, im back off to the land of the rising sun......c ya xxxx
im not going to do any more monster replies cos this isnt my site, i dropped by out of curiousity.
i saw you mentioned about the official /unofficial thing several times. well from this side of the fence, unofficial servicing agents in my area are cheaper still and as someone mentioned already, the vat registration decides whether your warraty claims are upheld by an indie. a lot of guys use the indies from new round my way and have never said a word against them.
as for level of expertise, id say the indies are better than official as its a way of life for them as opposed to a job (one is an ex bmw mech)so comparing them? why not?
maybe cos the japs are less prone to claims the official companies are more tolerent of this but having said that, we have some local mechs who are the muts and if i want my bikes tuned or set up im there like a shot! so i guess from my perspective the easier nature of looking after our bikes makes the differenciation between an indie and a franchised not so clear. either way, they are cheaper than what you boys pay im afraid! (as said previously bob, max round my way is 35 quid official, 25 indie)
when i had my lump, it didnt even enter my head to get it serviced outside the loop. in hindsight i wish i had; it would have saved me much money and a lot of agro with pompous dealers (they know who they are still hehehehheehe)...and who knows i may still be riding one now??? naaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
anyway thats it, im back off to the land of the rising sun......c ya xxxx
thesanguine
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I guess I need say nothing.........................
boxerbeat
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thesanguine said:
Now that is a first
thesanguine
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boxerbeat said:Now that is a first
But, I can if you want me to......
paul thompson
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Got to admit, despite loving the gs, i fancy the new r1 or a fazer thou and the quality looks as good as any bike iv'e had before.
I don't think bmw's are any better than any other make in that respect especially as iv'e already had to repaint the fork brace and the rear rack, which on a four year old bike is shit frankly.
Mind you i would miss this site..
I don't think bmw's are any better than any other make in that respect especially as iv'e already had to repaint the fork brace and the rear rack, which on a four year old bike is shit frankly.
Mind you i would miss this site..
Errr.......Darest I say......... I luv me 00 GS 
But the quality of ...fasteners, fork yokes and even the teleleaver is to say the least "FERKING SHITE"
Just sold a suzuki gs500 same age (more or less) as me Bm, and the condition of that was far better....This is the model that magazines say "finnish is crap, take it out in the rain at your peril"
Milages were simlarish, both had plenty of TLC......
But the quality of ...fasteners, fork yokes and even the teleleaver is to say the least "FERKING SHITE"
Just sold a suzuki gs500 same age (more or less) as me Bm, and the condition of that was far better....This is the model that magazines say "finnish is crap, take it out in the rain at your peril"
Milages were simlarish, both had plenty of TLC......
gutsi
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Turned down by main dealer
I was told yesterday that my 1997 60K miles 1100 GS wouldn't be welcome again for servicing work at my main dealer which pi55ed me off a bit, although not as much as the £440 bill for a 60K service.
I was also told to look after the bike better, I presume this means not using it when there is salt on the road and washing it everytime I take it out... The fact that some fastners on my bike have started to seize/corrode after 3 Yorkshire winters is more of a reflection of BMW build quality than the fact I only wash the bike weekly in winter.
I don't think the concept of motorcycle as commuter transport (as oposed to leisure toy) has really landed in Yorkshire.
So I need to know where people with higher mileage oilheads go for servicing. I can can do a lot of the job myself but I don't have the equipment to do some of the work. Any good independents in Yorkshire?
I was told yesterday that my 1997 60K miles 1100 GS wouldn't be welcome again for servicing work at my main dealer which pi55ed me off a bit, although not as much as the £440 bill for a 60K service.
I was also told to look after the bike better, I presume this means not using it when there is salt on the road and washing it everytime I take it out... The fact that some fastners on my bike have started to seize/corrode after 3 Yorkshire winters is more of a reflection of BMW build quality than the fact I only wash the bike weekly in winter.
I don't think the concept of motorcycle as commuter transport (as oposed to leisure toy) has really landed in Yorkshire.
So I need to know where people with higher mileage oilheads go for servicing. I can can do a lot of the job myself but I don't have the equipment to do some of the work. Any good independents in Yorkshire?
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Re: Turned down by main dealer
I hope you told them exactly what you were thinking. Riding as a commuter myself and racking up the miles I would be well peed of if asked to find another dealer as my bike was too old.
gutsi said:
I hope you told them exactly what you were thinking. Riding as a commuter myself and racking up the miles I would be well peed of if asked to find another dealer as my bike was too old.
Re: Turned down by main dealer
I'm afraid an all to familier story around the London area, i thought it was just a southern problem.
gutsi said:
I'm afraid an all to familier story around the London area, i thought it was just a southern problem.
robeekay67
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shop 'em ring bmw uk and see what they have to say.............
leigh
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Why don,t you come up with some sensible contributions to these forums instead of try'in to pick arguments with everyone? You never know when you might need their help.Not everyone is as bad as you make out!robeekay67 said:
leigh said:
Calm down dear - we're all actors and this is just a commercial
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I have. How do you pm some 1? do u have to cough up a tenner to become a sponser?Won't let me do it.
Ow's it feel bein 40 sherps? Hopefully make it to that milestone next year. Gsman 1's abit quiet - wots up with him
Ow's it feel bein 40 sherps? Hopefully make it to that milestone next year. Gsman 1's abit quiet - wots up with him
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