Major Piston Problem......help!

Piston broke

Gday StooL,

I am only 15 miles away, can I come for a look, maybe take a pic or two for others to look at?
What dealer are you dealing with?

Kenny
 
Hi Kenny,

My piston with the hole in it and both cylinders are currently at Border Engines in Berwick. They're going to try and save the cylinder but I'm not holding my breath. I'll hopefully get all the bits back at the weekend but I'm not sure if they'll be open due to the Easter holidays.

John Clark's in Dundee did call me back yesterday but unfortunately their computer system was down so they couldn't give me any new part prices. They've promised to call back today.

I'll keep you posted and you can come round and have a look at my bike in many many pieces. I only hope my father knows how to stick it back together!

Where abouts in the Borders are you?
 
Piston broke

I am in Hawick.

I was a bit concerned when you said engine bits at Border Engines.
Do they know that the bores have some sort of coating on them, ceramic stuff or some other high tech coating.
I would not put it past them to run a honing tool down the barrel 'just to clean it up'.

Just found it on BMW site.......nickel-silica-carbide-coated bores.
 
Are you a fellow Terie? I was born in Hawick!

A copy of the manual would be excellent. I'm sure my dad knows what he's doing but if it were left up to me I'd have the cylinders back on the wrong sides upside down!!

Border Engines are ok, my dad's used them a lot when getting car's fixed. They know the cylinder has a coating and are aware that if the coating has been completely removed at any point in the cylinder then its goosed! I think it is but its worth spending a tenner to find out. It could save me a fortune.
 
Hey Stool. I guess you must have been the guy that was trailing me down from Edinburgh in February, late afternoon, getting dark. Me in my Espace, indicating like a lunatic as you began indicating to go off at the Clovenfords junction on the A7. Had thought about posting on this BB and saying "Was it you?" but thought the better of it at the time.
Hope that the folk with the engine are paying close attention to it, and that things get sorted, at a reasonable cost. I'm a mechanical luddite, and if anything goes wrong with mine then its back to Glasgow to get it fixed.

Morning Kenny, boggin weather eh?

You don't know of another 75th Anniversary Edition 1100 locally, 'cos it came cruising down the A7 last night past the house as I was getting ready to go out. Yellow helmet. The kids were jumping up and down with excitement having seen another one.
 
Re: Piston broke

Kenny Rodkiss said:
I am in Hawick.

I was a bit concerned when you said engine bits at Border Engines.
Do they know that the bores have some sort of coating on them, ceramic stuff or some other high tech coating.
I would not put it past them to run a honing tool down the barrel 'just to clean it up'.

Just found it on BMW site.......nickel-silica-carbide-coated bores.
If you're using cheap supermarket petrol, your 'Nikasil' coating could well be knackered already.
This was a big problem on '96-'97 523i Engines. It was only really a problem in UK and Ireland where the higher sulphur content in cheap petrol caused premature wearing in the Nikasil coating. BMW never recalled but quietly changed engines for anyone with the problem.
Have a google search for BMW and Nikasil.

Either way, I'd imagine that the coating and the bore is scored in the area of the hole. It may be a good time to start weighing up the cost of a replacement engine (Second hand) less the scrap value of your engine versus time parts and labour for an engine overhaul.
 
Hey Rev!

I remember that. I have to admit I was thinking what's that effin idiot doing with his indicators?? I was pretty sure I didn't know you and you left me in a state of confusion. I'll be sure to wave the next time!
 
Common as muck

Hi Rev,

Saw a red and white one, in the lay by at Tweed Bridge near Boleside on A7 yesterday, around half six, thought it was you....
on my way to BGH.
Can't think of another locally.

StooL, where do you want the cd dropped off?
 
Ouch!

Just had the call from the dealers with the new part prices.

Cylinder - £203.41
Piston - £136.17
Head gaskets £15.60 each (I need 2)
O Rings - 30 pence each
Piston Rings - £31.83 each side

All prices are not including VAT. Looks like I'll be on the phone to Motorworks for some second hand bits. Still haven't heard if the injectors are ok. Imagine if I had to pay for labour on top of that lot!
 
cOMPLETE ENGINE STILL ON EBAY. sitting at £90.. 3 days to go
 
I've checked ebay but I can only find a 1100 engine. It would have been a great buy as well considering the cost of even second hand parts. Thanks anyway.

I've PM'd you Kenny, did you get it?
 
Just got a phone call regarding my injectors. Apparently they are both working but the one that was on the right side does not fire as cleanly as the left one. This may well have been the cause. It certainly fits with my experience of the bike running ok with no detectable warning signs prior to the piston seizing. The remus may well have been the final straw with the cyclinder already running slightly weaker than the other. Anyway, I'm ditching the injector and getting a second hand one from Motorworks. The grand total of the repair will come in at about £190, including a second hand piston, cylinder and gaskets etc.

I'll get the bike Dyno'd and mixture tested and will be sure to keep a close eye on the spark plugs in future.
 
Hey Stool....

Just read everyones comments and tips but nobody picked up on the 5 o'clock position of the hole....now remember that so far no one has seen this hole apart from you and Border engines.

If you are looking at the side of the engine then the 5 o'clock position equates as very close to the inlet valve, this then leads me to believe that you have some sort of air leak on that cyclinder. This will produce the lean mixture that could cause the piston crown to overheat and literally get blown in by the compression pressure (bit like welding aluminium with an oxy/acetylene torch...one second its there then plop its gone).

Potentially the fault could be air leaking in around the injector, or the vacuum blanking rubber plug (underside of the throttle body) is missing/ pulled off by some arse hole/holed or too loose.

Please check very carefully that there are no air leak problems, I doubt that the injector was the cause, it is not unusual to find that there is difference between the two. Those fitted to multi-cylinder engines can sometimes be well out delivering different quantities of fuel over the same period of time.

If the hole was caused by detonation you would have noticed a rattling type of sound when the engine was pulling hard and normally this causes the rider to cack themselves and pull over to find out what the noise is.

Continual running with a Remus or any other free flowing exhaust will usually only affect the exhaust valves after some condiderable time at high engine revs over quiter a distance (eg 4-5,000 miles) if no mixture adjustments have been carried out.

What are the spark plugs like and are they the correct grade?

If the hole is a 'mechanical' rather than melted hole then you have to assume something has fallen into the inlet track and got past the inlet valve, this will be evident by serious marks to other areas of the piston crown and cylinder head combustion chamber.

The damage to the cylinder was most likely ther top piston ring siezing due to no boundary lubrication and due to overheating and subsequent expansion and no where to go the ring has grabbed the cylinder wall.

Sorry about your engine, this is not normal BMW engine trouble and the comments about the car engines does not relate to your type of engine. Check elsewhere on the site and you will see that people remove the catalytic convertor so as not to harm it when travelling abroad using dubious fuel quality.

Pity there was no picture it could tell people an awful lot.

Hope you cure the problem relatively cheaply:)
 
holed piston

Might be over simplifying this , but last summer while wearing an open face. noticed that bike was pinking quite badly when winding throttle back 70 plus motorways bike with pillion.
Started using super unleaded & no more pinking.
Sean at rainbow suggested Shell Advance.

Hope its nothing more involved.

NB didn,t notice any pinking untill wearing open face helmet
 
Tony P

Am I being stoopid? or am I adding to the guessing


Stool said that the right hand piston was holed, surley a 5 oclock hole would be the exhaust side, 7 oclock would be the inlet side.
So a leak on the inlet would not be the cause


:confused:
 
That depends...

Keith Chapman said:
Tony P

Am I being stoopid? or am I adding to the guessing


Stool said that the right hand piston was holed, surley a 5 oclock hole would be the exhaust side, 7 oclock would be the inlet side.
So a leak on the inlet would not be the cause


:confused:

That depends upon which side of the motor you are standing, I was using the left pot as my clock face, you are quite right in pointing to the exhaust valve if on the right side.

Anyway I think that detonation (pinking) and /or an air leak has caused the (no picture to look at) assumed fault.

Bloody difficult dog nosing at a distance.:)
 
I've been gone a few days but I'll get some pics up as soon as I can. By 5 o'clock I mean kneeling by the side of the bike (front wheel on my right) looking straight at the end of the cylinder. This would make the hole on the exhaust side.

Still waiting for my parts, bloody holiday weekend!
 


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