More Zumo woes: what about the new update?

[semmyroundel]

XT woes

Berin: You mention to ditch Explore, but I have an XT and a Inreach mini2 (which needs Explore) so should I ONLY connect Inreach device to Explore, and make sure the XT doesn't go anywhere near it?

 

[MickTheSaw]

We had two on our ride out with XT's, one had just been updated.The updated one was straight lining between cetain via points and gave an inital route calc of 2500 miles.
The other one followed the route exactly as did numerous Nav 5 & 6 which was a total of 200 miles

 

[casbar]

We had two on our ride out with XT's, one had just been updated.The updated one was straight lining between cetain via points and gave an inital route calc of 2500 miles.
The other one followed the route exactly as did numerous Nav 5 & 6 which was a total of 200 miles

Sorry, but no device can not take into account user errors. If the XT was straight lining, either the update wasn't completed correctly, or the file that was passed to the device wasn't correct.

 

[er-minio]

Both those cases are not user error though.


Said that: during our week traveling, I was assembling routes in the evening and pinging them to my mate (via email attached .gpx containing both track and route). At some point his sat nav straight lined badly (might have a screenshot) and mine didn’t.
He restarted his unit, reloaded the same file and it was ok.

 

[casbar]

Both those cases are not user error though.


Said that: during our week traveling, I was assembling routes in the evening and pinging them to my mate (via email attached .gpx containing both track and route). At some point his sat nav straight lined badly (might have a screenshot) and mine didn’t.
He restarted his unit, reloaded the same file and it was ok.

Then your route file must have had an issue. The sat Nav can only deal with what is loaded to it, using its maps. I can honestly say, I have followed over 50 tracks and routes produced by MRA over 2 years and never had straight lines or issues, except the can not recal on one trip that was sorted by deleting the archive files as directed by Garmin. They either work or they don’t. There is a wealth of knowledge on the xt forum, that is where I learnt about tracks and routes and how to load different profiles

 

[Berin]

XT woes

Berin: You mention to ditch Explore, but I have an XT and a Inreach mini2 (which needs Explore) so should I ONLY connect Inreach device to Explore, and make sure the XT doesn't go anywhere near it?

Yes


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[Berin]

We had two on our ride out with XT's, one had just been updated.The updated one was straight lining between cetain via points and gave an inital route calc of 2500 miles.
The other one followed the route exactly as did numerous Nav 5 & 6 which was a total of 200 miles

Are these routes you created elsewhere and downloaded to the XT, or routes you’ve created on the device either with Trip Planner or Where To?


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[MAR.600]

Preloaded my routes to my for my trip to Italy in July. Looking at the previous threads re updates, really don't want to start messing about at this late stage .
Would I be best to leave the latest update ?

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[Boxerboy55]

I’m 3000 km in to my Euro trip and generally the XT is behaving.

I turned re-calc off so I can try to stick to my planned route.

Germany’s habit of closing roads has fucked me up several times but I’m good at map reading and get where I’m going. Just reading the XT screen to get back on track. Or should I say back on Route.

The XT is pissing me off with the eternal delay in pulling up Tracks from the main screen. Baffling.

I’m also kicking myself for deleting the daily Tracks from my first 3 days as my brain was mixing up the Route list with the Track list.

I’ve failed miserably to persuade XT to display Red Tracks of where I’m headed. I thought I’d asked politely.

This evening I planned a route on Kurviger on my phone but failed miserably (again) to send it to my XT. Even though they know each other and can send music (Radio Paradise) but not while riding.

Don’t we love these devices!

 

[casbar]

Having used Garmin Sat Navs since the SP3 the XT has been the only one I don't trust with its routing algorithms. This is the first sat nav where people are having to use the track and route options to overcome the routing mayhem, especially if you've downloaded a route with a via /way point, and it gets into the repeated u-turn madness.

"Fastest" in the routing options used to mean the shortest amount of time, now it seems to mean it'll use "faster" roads for as much as possible, even if that's not the shortest time.

You are correct in your last sentence, but only when it's (a) shut down or (b) not navigating.

try asking on the xt forums. Most issues have been discussed on there and there are some very knowledgable users. All I can say is, I’ve used my xt extenvisly and once I learnt how it works have had no major issues

 

[Wapping]

Likewise, both of my XT’s work perfectly, running bespoke routes created in MyRoute on my iPad, then exported in version 1.2 via Garmin Drive on my iPhone.

Recalculation set to ‘Prompted, yes or no’.

 

[alan29]

I discovered yesterday that setting the Zumo to Fastest Route doesn't give you the fastest route. It gives you the route on the fastest roads - which can take longer.

 

[er-minio]

That has always been the case.

 

[er-minio]

I'm trying to clear the files cache as Casbar kindly suggested a few posts above.
Been a bit busy since I came back home, but will ask on the Zumo forum about the weird directions my zumo comes up every once in a while. Will report back.

 

[alan29]

That has always been the case.

And if it takes you up and down goat tracks it is slower still.
Moral - always plan a detailed route in software first even if you only are going A to B.

 

[er-minio]

Agreed. That is exactly what I do.
Rarely use it for A/B unless is within London or the last miles to the hotels.

Always double check the route it gives you as it can take some "fantasy" option sometimes in complex city layouts.

 

[Berin]

I was using the Zumo in Greece a couple of weeks ago (in a car), for A to B.

I worked fine, and gave better directions than my TomTom app and Google Maps in a couple of cases.


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[Mzokk]

You may be experiencing something like this https://www.zumouserforums.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2291&sid=087225aeceecf9f1b50a286601139d8a

I have a zumo xt and have noted the RUT as described above behaviour for routes created in basecamp. It can be overcome by putting in more waypoints than I would have done previously and if stumped re loading the route and chosing closest entry point. Routing for routes created on the device are fine and I have managed to change a route from an Imported to a saved route (as discussed in the thread above) and it has also been fine. I spent 4 days in the Scottish Borders last week and had to reload a route on the first day as an early minor road was closed and we could not use it I currently have in my possession a Streetpilot 2610, Nav iV (4), zumo 340, zumo 390, and the Zumo XT. I use the Zumo 390 on my old R1150GS and my Zumo XT on my Africa twin adventure sports.

Alan 29 Said "I discovered yesterday that setting the Zumo to Fastest Route doesn't give you the fastest route. It gives you the route on the fastest roads - which can take longer."

This is true and I have tested this If I route the XT from Sprucfield roundabout on the M1 about 10 miles outside Belfast to home it takes me down the motorway throught the Westlink and out the other side of Belfast on the A2 towards Dundonald where I live. During rush hour it is faster for me to take backroads for this journey and the Zumo XT logic tries to take you back to these main roads even when clearly the time on the backroads would be less i.e I'm fairly close to home on the Backroads. The Zumo 340, 390 and Nav iv insist on turning back to the main roads for a short time then calculate that you are on a quicker route on the backroads much sooner. For point to point routing on the Africa Twin I can use Android Auto which is better than the XT as it takes into consideration traffic and routes you round it. However, most of the Android auto Apps for creating and following the convoluted routes I like to navigate aren't great either and bumpy roads tend to jiggle out the USB connection between screen and phone. Hence why I bought the XT for the Africa twin. I like the XT but I certainly think that there is a big bug in its routing logic compared to the older units particularly in relation to odd behaviour with routes imported from Basecamp (which I can work around) and fastest route behaviour when you deviate from a point to point route due to traffic. The weird thing about that is it will tell you on the unit what the delay is on the plotted route if you are linked to the Drive App then try to route you into the middle of it

 

[Mzokk]

Oh yes and Garmin explore what an odd piece of software??

 

[Berin]

The XT takes traffic into account.