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Dave Ett

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A dirty, stinking shithole.

Sure there's some nice friendly people, and some great off road tracks.

But overall? Same as any dirty, stinking African country really. Trash everywhere, flies everywhere, dead carcasses hanging in the open air waiting to be carved ands cooked, kids at every stop running at you with their hands thrust out shouting "bonbon!" or "stylo" like you're sime kinda travelling cash cow to be milked.

The black crap pouring out the exhausts of even new cars, bad enough to make you feel ill if you follow too long.

The same tajine's or brochette in every hotel / auberge.

Where is their pride? Poverty does not make you proud to live in a stinking pile of your own rubbish. Why can't they even take it to the edge of the village?

They have an internet cafe in every town, so it's not a lack of education either.

I rode some awesome tracks, up to 8600 feet, down to the desert and saw some stunning views. But never again.

Dirty stinking shithole.:mad:
 
I'm guessing you didn't like it then? Just for the record, whereabouts in Morocco did you go?
Mark
 
Yup, can safely say that you have completely missed the point ...... :blast


:nod

Travel normally broadens the mind and opens eyes.

Never mind, back to Corrie three times a week and a pint of mild with Bert in the snug on a Friday night eh?

:comfort
 
I've not been.
Can't say that Morocco appeals that much to me, but you don't go that far to have what you get everyday at home, do you?

It's a foreign country.

:nenau
 
Well..........

...we're going again...along with 7 other TITS.......:D

I suppose it also depends on your reasons for going?.........:rolleyes:
 
I've not been.
Can't say that Morocco appeals that much to me, but you don't go that far to have what you get everyday at home, do you?

It's a foreign country.

:nenau


Chris..there's so much more to be seen , felt and experienced in Morocco than you can see 'everyday at home'.......it's a shame that Dave appears to have seen it with his English eyes in rather than in an open minded manner.

Some of the observations are completely valid, but equally, have been caused by 'us', the western consumer society and our insidious destructive polluting and arrogant ways.


Just two examples, as I'm not going to get into a big thing about it, but the rubbish.....it is, in places, horrendous.

See past that though and wonder WHY it's horrendous....it's because 'WE', the western world, have introduced plastic packaging that takes decades or centuries to rot away.

Plastic has flooded Africa, yet they have no infrastructure to deal with it and dispose of it......so it lies in outside towns making a mess

Go back a few years and any rubbish was eaten by the goats, it was organic, paper at worst, and all dealt with effectively.

Second issue.....the begging etc.

Why do kids beg and demand bonbons and stilos, dirham dirham dirham?

Because thousands of arrogantly pitying Europeans are pouring across Africa handing out sweets to the 'poor little black kids' in exchange for a smile and a moment of self gratification.

The next day of course, those kids see another air-conditioned 4x4 coming through and of course they'll hold their hands out and demand a sweet:blast

Most of the adults don't like it, but as these kids grow up, they will take that begging hand-out culture with them into adulthood, and guess who's fault it is!!:blast

We (the so called 'civilised west) have ruined so many developing countries with our cavalier attitudes and misguided actions, then people like Dave go and see it and blame them! :mad:





Ah well, it's not for everyone, as they say :rolleyes:
 
:nod

Travel normally broadens the mind and opens eyes.

Never mind, back to Corrie three times a week and a pint of mild with Bert in the snug on a Friday night eh?

:comfort

Not at all. I've been to Kenya, South Africa, Mombasa, Gambia, Tunisia, plus Oman and various other Arab states. Not to mention all over the USA, Europe etc.

I am a very well travelled bunny. Maybe that was the problem? I guess I wanted to find 'The Real Morocco' wasn't the same as all the other crappy places I'd been, since so many raved about it.

Sadly the only thing setting it apart was the off roading and the friendly people - never felt threatened as I have in some African countries.

Ah well, you live you learn eh?
 
Not at all. I've been to Kenya, South Africa, Mombasa, Gambia, Tunisia, plus Oman and various other Arab states. Not to mention all over the USA, Europe etc.

I am a very well travelled bunny. Ah well, you live you learn eh?

Was that all on a motorcycle then bunny :bow

If not it don't count :eek:

:beerjug:
 
Sadly the only thing setting it apart was the off roading and the friendly people - never felt threatened as I have in some African countries.

Ah well, you live you learn eh?


Er....Dave, I'm not sure if you mean that you didn't feel as threatened in Morocco as you have been in other countries, or that you didn't feel as threatened in other African countries as you did in Morocco. :nenau

FWIW, I would genuinely rather plonk myself alone at midnight in a backstreet of any random town in Morocco than the equivalent backstreet of any random town in England......There's hardly any alcohol culture in Morocco which makes it 10x safer in my experience.....there are no mental health care institutions like we have, so you do find more mentally ill people roaming the streets there than you do here, but thats extremely unlikey to cause a problem....more of a sad type of amusement if I'm honest about it.


With a use name like 'Dave', I guess you're not a buxom wench, but given the choice, I'd also rather leave my Rosie in a bar or cafe in Morocco in the evening than in one in the UK as well....I suspect that the level of respect shown would be far higher and the level of risk far lower in Morocco than pretty much any UK town....You just don't see guys leaning from scaffolding in Morocco shouting out 'Waheeey darling, show us yer tits!'

I don't know if you got to talk properly with any Moroccans either...it sounds like you didnt TBH, because nearly all I've met are extremely proud and dignified people.....the Islamic culture (and I mean culture not faith) shows itself very strongly in helping others, being proud to serve rather than seeing it as a chore, respect and so on.

I've also never seen so much pride in the UK as the Amazigh (Berbér) people demonstrate in their culture.....You don't get a Yorkshireman coming up to you and introducing himself as 'Dave, I'm a Yorkshireman', but it's extremely common in Morocco to identify yourself by tribe or clan.

It's a shame you've come away with the feelings you have......I don't think you've seen or felt the 'real' Morocco at all......Yes it smells, yes, its rubbish strewn, yes, they do things their own way and that differs from having clingfilm wrapped sanitised meat in fridges in tesco, but I love the place...it's a fantastic country and the culture and the people, together with the roads and pistes and lack of H&S bullshit that we're ridden with make it all the better as far as I'm concerned.

:comfort
 
Er....Dave, I'm not sure if you mean that you didn't feel as threatened in Morocco as you have been in other countries, or that you didn't feel as threatened in other African countries as you did in Morocco. :nenau

I meant I felt safe there. Places like Nairobi scare me half to death!

FWIW, I would genuinely rather plonk myself alone at midnight in a backstreet of any random town in Morocco than the equivalent backstreet of any random town in England......There's hardly any alcohol culture in Morocco which makes it 10x safer in my experience.....there are no mental health care institutions like we have, so you do find more mentally ill people roaming the streets there than you do here, but thats extremely unlikey to cause a problem....more of a sad type of amusement if I'm honest about it.

Oh I definitely saw / met some folk a few sandwiches short of a picnic! All seemed smiles and lightness.

With a use name like 'Dave', I guess you're not a buxom wench, but given the choice, I'd also rather leave my Rosie in a bar or cafe in Morocco in the evening than in one in the UK as well....I suspect that the level of respect shown would be far higher and the level of risk far lower in Morocco than pretty much any UK town....You just don't see guys leaning from scaffolding in Morocco shouting out 'Waheeey darling, show us yer tits!'

Agreed. Except of course, everywhere you looked there were men sat round the tables in the cafe, smoking and drinking tea / coffee whilst the women were out in the fields or carrying huge loads on their backs.

I don't know if you got to talk properly with any Moroccans either...it sounds like you didnt TBH, because nearly all I've met are extremely proud and dignified people.....the Islamic culture (and I mean culture not faith) shows itself very strongly in helping others, being proud to serve rather than seeing it as a chore, respect and so on.

Yes I did. Took an impromtu guided tour round Imilchil with one chap who was a teacher. He was back visiting his father. Took us round the the whole place from the new medical faility to the fields. Wanted to show us the women working too so we could see the different tribes there - explained how the tribes frowned upon inter-tribe relations.

Also took a guided tour round Alnif with a chap who was very proud of the decaying Kasbah and the fact his uncle lived in one of the crumbling houses. Showed us the access for men, and seperate small doorway for women.

Since my French is pretty good I took the opportunity to talk to locals wherever I stopped - in the cafe's, garages, in the evenings etc. Everyone I met was helpful a friendly. They simply didn't see the trash for whatever reason and I was too polite to point it out.

I've also never seen so much pride in the UK as the Amazigh (Berbér) people demonstrate in their culture.....You don't get a Yorkshireman coming up to you and introducing himself as 'Dave, I'm a Yorkshireman', but it's extremely common in Morocco to identify yourself by tribe or clan.

The Berber were proud of being Berber and pretty much despised the Arabs, who had suppressed them for a very long time under the old king. Things were better now of course, but they pulled faces when the call to prayer went out!

It's a shame you've come away with the feelings you have......I don't think you've seen or felt the 'real' Morocco at all...

Have to disagree old chap. I HAVE seen the real Morocco, and "Yes it smells, yes, its rubbish strewn, yes, they do things their own way"

And it's not for me. I do not agree that being poor means you can't keep you own village tidy. Where is the pride in that?

Is it a display of Berber pride when they dress up in the traditional garb and drag fat French women out into the Dunes at sunset on camels? Or just someone capitalizing on a bit of history to make money like the blokes on Blackpool beach?

Is it pride which makes a kid insists you look at his wares when you have very firmly but politely said "I do not wish to buy"?

Is it pride which makes them serve you the same damn food every night because 'this is traditional Berber dish!'?

Gimme a break! Be inventive, stop trading on history, cuz every damn joint in this village / road is doing the same thing.

I have no objection to dead animals - coming from a farming background I am perfectly well aware of where meat comes from - but they have electricity and fridges, and I do believe that they know food hygene should go beyond a truck full of sheep carcasses being driven across the mountians open to the flies and dirt.

I don't expect "clingfilm wrapped sanitised meat in fridges in tesco" but I did expect at least some education and common sense!

They seem content to live as they have done for 2000 years, with all that entails, and I suspect that it is a place most folks will visit once and never go back to, simply because too much of it is the same...
 
Not at all. I've been to Kenya, South Africa, Mombasa, Gambia, Tunisia, plus Oman and various other Arab states. Not to mention all over the USA, Europe etc.

Thomsons holiday resorts ???? :D

Bit of dirt doesn't hurt you - you'll have much worse before you die. :comfort
 
Moroccans are aware of the problems within their country, but with money being pocketed and not reaching its destination they become complacent and think f-uck it, why should I bother. Most of the people are proud of their homeland but lack of teaching and no meaningful authority breaks them down.

I own several properties in Morocco and i'm building apartments in the Sahara.
 
Been there, saw that..................:augie

Can't wait to go back again next year.:thumb2

Recommend...................A BMW enduro helmet:confused:

Better peripheral vision...............:augie
 
A dirty, stinking shithole.

Sure there's some nice friendly people, and some great off road tracks.

But overall? Same as any dirty, stinking African country really. Trash everywhere, flies everywhere, dead carcasses hanging in the open air waiting to be carved ands cooked, kids at every stop running at you with their hands thrust out shouting "bonbon!" or "stylo" like you're sime kinda travelling cash cow to be milked.

The black crap pouring out the exhausts of even new cars, bad enough to make you feel ill if you follow too long.

The same tajine's or brochette in every hotel / auberge.

Where is their pride? Poverty does not make you proud to live in a stinking pile of your own rubbish. Why can't they even take it to the edge of the village?

They have an internet cafe in every town, so it's not a lack of education either.

I rode some awesome tracks, up to 8600 feet, down to the desert and saw some stunning views. But never again.

Dirty stinking shithole.:mad:

I've ridden around many parts of Morocco 9 times both running a few of my own trips specifically for GS's and guiding/leading for others, I have to agree with most of what you say but with the big difference, despite your observations I still love it there....as it is also, so much more.:thumb
 


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