Motul 10-60 engine oil

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Took my 1200 into a local adventure specialist just outside KL over the weekend for a service. They had a new Motul 10-60 Engine oil I think it was semi synthetic which is developed specially for summer or hot region use.

So for anybody living in hot climes of planning a trip to spain, north africa etc. you should consider this new oil.
 
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I assumed by Wapping's response he thinks 10-60 oil is not a good idea, so I did a little reseach. I now tend to agree with Wapping, probably not the best idea, and had I known what i know now I would not of let the wee spanner monkies put 10-60 in my engine.

My research showed that 10-60 is meant for high revving motorsprts car engines, that run at 100 degrees or over for long periods. having said that KTM do reccomend 10-60 in some of their singles and v-twins, so I'm a little confused. I talked to the owner of the gariage that put the 10-60 into my engine, Mr. Ng at Welly Motorcycles in Sungai Buloh, Malaysia, Mr Ng rides a 05 1200GS and uses 10-60 oil also, he is a extreme adventure biker, he has dome London to KL, twice... KL - Mongolia and Manchuria (north eact China) oals twice, this year he's doing KL to Tibet. he tells me that he has been putting 10-60 into his clique of adventure friends bike for some time and dosent see any adverse effect.

I'm no expert, had I know what I've now read about 10-60 a week ago, I would have not let them put it in, I'm simply not that up on oils, although O know enough and understand what a 10-60 is doing.

The actually worry with 10-60 is that it will stay too thick unless it gets upo to very high temperatures, so definately is a no no in the UK. taking into acount that i ride in temperature of 45-50 degrees (direct sunlite temps) then it may be fifferent here.

Wapping, you alarmed me, so prey share your knowlege? and thanks for the heads up.
 
that sight is a bit bent cos he's been going round and pistol whipping anyone who posts up about oil........... alledgedly:D:mad:
 
Deaninkl

Just remember the golden rules of all forums:

1. Don't ever ask for any advice without clearly stating you are without any knowledge whatsoever and begging for mercy first
2. Don't ever express an opinion unless you have searched every single thread and have posted at least 5000 times
3. Forums are full of 'know-it-alls'
4. The 'know-it-alls' are so desperate to shoot you down they often don't impart their greater knowledge....

It's generally best to sit tight and be dumb.
 
10-60 engine oil is good for keeping the oil pressure up when the engine is knackered - therefore you do not see the little red light come on:)
 
I assumed by Wapping's response he thinks 10-60 oil is not a good idea, so I did a little reseach. I now tend to agree with Wapping, probably not the best idea, and had I known what i know now I would not of let the wee spanner monkies put 10-60 in my engine.

My research showed that 10-60 is meant for high revving motorsprts car engines, that run at 100 degrees or over for long periods. having said that KTM do reccomend 10-60 in some of their singles and v-twins, so I'm a little confused. I talked to the owner of the gariage that put the 10-60 into my engine, Mr. Ng at Welly Motorcycles in Sungai Buloh, Malaysia, Mr Ng rides a 05 1200GS and uses 10-60 oil also, he is a extreme adventure biker, he has dome London to KL, twice... KL - Mongolia and Manchuria (north eact China) oals twice, this year he's doing KL to Tibet. he tells me that he has been putting 10-60 into his clique of adventure friends bike for some time and dosent see any adverse effect.

I'm no expert, had I know what I've now read about 10-60 a week ago, I would have not let them put it in, I'm simply not that up on oils, although O know enough and understand what a 10-60 is doing.

The actually worry with 10-60 is that it will stay too thick unless it gets upo to very high temperatures, so definately is a no no in the UK. taking into acount that i ride in temperature of 45-50 degrees (direct sunlite temps) then it may be fifferent here.

Wapping, you alarmed me, so prey share your knowlege? and thanks for the heads up.

Given your climate, & useage, what do MOTUL say ?
In my experience oil manufacturers are always willing to advise,
 
Surely the point of multigrade oil is that it behaves in different ways/viscosities at different temperatures ie it's a 10W when cold (thin) and is a 60W when very hot.



New oil is better than old
Any oil is better than none
Engines can't read labels.
 
I predict three pages before this latest oil thread runs it's natural

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Thank you deaninkl for sharing the thoughts of Mr Ng of Welly Motorcycles......
 
Is Motul 10W60 nice and new and man made or is it that horrible old brown stuff that has been rotting in the ground for millions of years? You can't be too careful you know ;)
 
Deaninkl

Just remember the golden rules of all forums:

1. Don't ever ask for any advice without clearly stating you are without any knowledge whatsoever and begging for mercy first
2. Don't ever express an opinion unless you have searched every single thread and have posted at least 5000 times
3. Forums are full of 'know-it-alls'
4. The 'know-it-alls' are so desperate to shoot you down they often don't impart their greater knowledge....

It's generally best to sit tight and be dumb.

:thumb I dont think your alone in your thoughts Fred.
 
Wapping, you alarmed me, so prey share your knowlege? and thanks for the heads up.

The gun was because you mentioned the oil word...... but as you are still alive (I hope)....

10-60 is a very wide range multi-grade oil, capable of dealing with temperatures as low as -20c right up to scorchio and probably beyond, all on its own.

It is commonly used in very powerful car engines (I think BuMW use it in their M5 series cars) and in race cars. Not because many will see -20c too often but because the internal working temperatures of the engine are so high; high rev's, lots of bangs, lots of heat is a pretty good rule. Some big thumpers (off road trials bikes) use it too. MottoGuzzi's, according to some websites, seem to list it, I guess because they need the thicker end of the gloop spectrum to stop it pissing out all over the floor?

In short, it's an oil for prolonged exposure to very wide temperature ranges in perhaps an extreme environment or where an engine is regularly going to work like hell, getting very hot for long periods.

BuMW list the oil specification in the 1200 owner's hand book, alongside lots of other grades and their temperature ranges. They detail the lower end of the oils' ranges (-20c) but are often silent on the upper end, silent much above 30c. Similarly, they use the 'greater than or equal to' symbol for oil grade numbers greater than 50.

Now the question is: Are you - or many others - going to work your bike hard enough, or be in an environment tough enough, for long enough to really need it?

Of course an air cooled boxer engine can get very hot, the exhaust headers can glow red in just a few minutes if you leave them ticking over without a breeze. They regularly go right off the scale in heavy London traffic, but no harm comes to them on good old 10-40. In southern Spain and other naturally warmer countries, the upper end temperature spec available over the counter in most garages is often upped, simply because it is hotter longer. But a 10-40 bike will run fine, too it may just burn a little more oil.

Given your 25000 km of tyre life and 42000 km of pad life, you may not be pushing the 1200's engine that hard? Possibly because it is too hot and humid in Malaysia to go out for long? It is arguable that if your day and night time temperatures at home in Malaysia are near enough constant the year around, you may not need too wide a multi-grade variation at all.
 
Mr Wapping has made the longest, bestest and most thoughtful reply so far.
I think he secretly enjoys Oil Threads as much as the rest of us. :augie
 
Mr Wapping has made the longest, bestest and most thoughtful reply so far.
I think he secretly enjoys Oil Threads as much as the rest of us. :augie

Far from it, hence the gun.

But the old Bi Hoon chewer seemed nervous that his bike would now blow up or summat, so I put his mind at rest.
 


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