Motul 10-60 engine oil

[rockchunk]

The gun was because you mentioned the oil word...... but as you are still alive (I hope)....

10-60 is a very wide range multi-grade oil, capable of dealing with temperatures as low as -20c right up to scorchio and probably beyond, all on its own.

It is commonly used in very powerful car engines (I think BuMW use it in their M5 series cars) and in race cars. Not because many will see -20c too often but because the internal working temperatures of the engine are so high; high rev's, lots of bangs, lots of heat is a pretty good rule. Some big thumpers (off road trials bikes) use it too. MottoGuzzi's, according to some websites, seem to list it, I guess because they need the thicker end of the gloop spectrum to stop it pissing out all over the floor?

In short, it's an oil for prolonged exposure to very wide temperature ranges in perhaps an extreme environment or where an engine is regularly going to work like hell, getting very hot for long periods.

BuMW list the oil specification in the 1200 owner's hand book, alongside lots of other grades and their temperature ranges. They detail the lower end of the oils' ranges (-20c) but are often silent on the upper end, silent much above 30c. Similarly, they use the 'greater than or equal to' symbol for oil grade numbers greater than 50.

Now the question is: Are you - or many others - going to work your bike hard enough, or be in an environment tough enough, for long enough to really need it?

Of course an air cooled boxer engine can get very hot, the exhaust headers can glow red in just a few minutes if you leave them ticking over without a breeze. They regularly go right off the scale in heavy London traffic, but no harm comes to them on good old 10-40. In southern Spain and other naturally warmer countries, the upper end temperature spec available over the counter in most garages is often upped, simply because it is hotter longer. But a 10-40 bike will run fine, too it may just burn a little more oil.

Given your 25000 km of tyre life and 42000 km of pad life, you may not be pushing the 1200's engine that hard? Possibly because it is too hot and humid in Malaysia to go out for long? It is arguable that if your day and night time temperatures at home in Malaysia are near enough constant the year around, you may not need too wide a multi-grade variation at all.

thanks for that wapping very informative got me interested in the oil thingy think I'll go do a search

 

[deaninkl]

The gun was because you mentioned the oil word...... but as you are still alive (I hope)....

10-60 is a very wide range multi-grade oil, capable of dealing with temperatures as low as -20c right up to scorchio and probably beyond, all on its own.

It is commonly used in very powerful car engines (I think BuMW use it in their M5 series cars) and in race cars. Not because many will see -20c too often but because the internal working temperatures of the engine are so high; high rev's, lots of bangs, lots of heat is a pretty good rule. Some big thumpers (off road trials bikes) use it too. MottoGuzzi's, according to some websites, seem to list it, I guess because they need the thicker end of the gloop spectrum to stop it pissing out all over the floor?

In short, it's an oil for prolonged exposure to very wide temperature ranges in perhaps an extreme environment or where an engine is regularly going to work like hell, getting very hot for long periods.

BuMW list the oil specification in the 1200 owner's hand book, alongside lots of other grades and their temperature ranges. They detail the lower end of the oils' ranges (-20c) but are often silent on the upper end, silent much above 30c. Similarly, they use the 'greater than or equal to' symbol for oil grade numbers greater than 50.

Now the question is: Are you - or many others - going to work your bike hard enough, or be in an environment tough enough, for long enough to really need it?

Of course an air cooled boxer engine can get very hot, the exhaust headers can glow red in just a few minutes if you leave them ticking over without a breeze. They regularly go right off the scale in heavy London traffic, but no harm comes to them on good old 10-40. In southern Spain and other naturally warmer countries, the upper end temperature spec available over the counter in most garages is often upped, simply because it is hotter longer. But a 10-40 bike will run fine, too it may just burn a little more oil.

Given your 25000 km of tyre life and 42000 km of pad life, you may not be pushing the 1200's engine that hard? Possibly because it is too hot and humid in Malaysia to go out for long? It is arguable that if your day and night time temperatures at home in Malaysia are near enough constant the year around, you may not need too wide a multi-grade variation at all.

Thanks for that Wapping, I rest easier......in order to keep the oil in its good work range, I did my fatest ever Singapore/KL trip yesterday, 360km in 2hrs 40mins including the border crossing and KL traffic......the 12 just purrrrred.

 

[Wapping]

Thanks for that Wapping, I rest easier......in order to keep the oil in its good work range, I did my fatest ever Singapore/KL trip yesterday, 360km in 2hrs 40mins including the border crossing and KL traffic......the 12 just purrrrred.

The coach only takes four and a half hours..... Pull your finger out!

 

[Kremmen]

10-60 engine oil is good for keeping the oil pressure up when the engine is knackered - therefore you do not see the little red light come on

All recent MG recommend the use of 10-60 engine oil, it didn't stop my 1200 sport going bang with less than 2500 mls on it...

Another little gem for you .... like BM Moto Guzzi have Nikasil bores.
BM don't recommend the use of synthetic oil until many thousands of miles are on the clock
Moto Guzzi recommend he use of fully synthetic 10 - 60 oil from day one....

Now i was always taught at college that synthetic oil has superior lubricating properties.... so why put it in from day one??? surely you need the surfaces to bed together as quickly as possible

 

[Bem]

I predict three pages before this latest oil thread runs it's natural

In order to fulfill the prophecy at the earliest point I have decided to contribute the sum total of my knowledge on the subject.

 

[Bear]

10-60 is a very wide range multi-grade oil, capable of dealing with temperatures as low as -20c right up to scorchio and probably beyond, all on its own. It is commonly used in very powerful car engines (I think BuMW use it in their M5 series cars) and in race cars.

Castrol list a 10W60 for BMW M-series cars and the like http://www.castrol.com/castrol/productdetailmin.do?categoryId=9014063&contentId=7027056

In southern Spain and other naturally warmer countries, the upper end temperature spec available over the counter in most garages is often upped, simply because it is hotter longer. But a 10-40 bike will run fine, too it may just burn a little more oil.

Given your 25000 km of tyre life and 42000 km of pad life, you may not be pushing the 1200's engine that hard? Possibly because it is too hot and humid in Malaysia to go out for long? It is arguable that if your day and night time temperatures at home in Malaysia are near enough constant the year around, you may not need too wide a multi-grade variation at all.

As well as being the most exciting city I've visited, Kuala Lumpur is either hot or very hot. About 25 years ago I remember an Australian company (Penfold/Penrite/something similar) selling similar oils developed for Harley-Davidsons run in the Australian heat. In principle a wide viscosity range is a good idea (BMW now recommend 10W50 for the 1200 twins) but for a hot climate (not an issue in the UK) the second number wants to be higher rather than lower.