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I'm away om jollies at the moment and have a route planned for each day using shaping points. A few days now the Nav V has taken me a different route. For instance route set out of Bolzano over Gavia pass to Bormio, Nav V took us from Bolzano to Merano then over Stelvio form the north into Bormio. Stelvio was supposed to be today!
Today route was Ofenpass, Fluella, Wolfgang & into Chur. Nav V took us Ofenpass, Albulapass then to Chur. even thought shaping points are on the set route. Any ideas?
 
Check the 'transfer settings' in your Basecamp profile and make sure you don't have the 'remove shaping points' box checked.
 
There could be several reasons for your problems but chief amongst those would be:

1. An incompatibility between the routes you (presumably) created on your computer back at home, miles away which you (presumably) then exported to your Nav V and then (presumably) imported from the device's memory to use each day

2. Operator error, in stage 1 above or later

We could spend an awful lot of time guessing what it is you have done and / or what it is you are doing but here goes as a starter:

A. Download the owner's manual http://www.motofans.be/images/files/BMW-Navigator-V-Manual.pdf If nothing else you might find it useful. This site might help too: http://globeriders.com/article_pages/article07_gps/article07_nav5.shtml

B. Delete any routes that you have in the device's Trip Planner app. Don't worry you can always reimport them.

C. Go to Settings and make sure your device is set very simply to 'Fastest time' and de-tick any of the myriad of possible choices, like Wigggly roads and other crap. Why? Because you need to get rid of as many variables to the route you (presumably) created on your computer at home as possible.

D. Re-import one route only, preferably one for tomorrow.

E. Does it look right in the preview screen? In other words, does it start where you wanted to start from, end where you wanted to end and go through all and any of the shaping points (little blue dots) and / or waypoints (little flags) you put in place when you created the route on your computer? Does the route go through the shaping and waypoints in the right order? Does the distance look right? Does the estimated time taken look right? In short, does it look just as you hoped it would when you created it at home?

F. If the answer to all the above is Yes, hit Go.

G. You should now have a correct route on your screen, ready for you to ride.

H. You do? Great, mate. Job done.

I. No? Report back as we'll need lots more help from you.
 
Check the 'transfer settings' in your Basecamp profile and make sure you don't have the 'remove shaping points' box checked.
Thanks all. I'll try that. Yes auto recalculate. thing is when I check the route as a map on Nav V it shows the correct route.
 
"Always match route to the map on my device when transfering" is ticked.
"Strip shaping points from routes on transfer to device " is unticked.
 
Now that you are in the middle of your trip it may be quite difficult to amend your routes ie lack of access to Basecamp/Mapscource.

Its the auto re-calculating that's causing you issues.

If I was you I would start by changing some of your shaping points (the important ones Ofenpass, Fluella, Wolfgang & into Chur) into waypoints the Nav5 will not ignore waypoints when re-calculating it can and will ignore shaping points in some situations.
If you cant be bothered doing all then try at the very least changing the first one (not the starting point) to a waypoint.

To change the shaping point on the device (I have a 590 so it may be slightly different) go into "Apps" - "Trip planner" - choose your route - Top RHS of screen touch three bars - Edit destinations - touch yellow dot represented as shaping point and it should change to a yellow flag waypoint.

This unfortunately opens up a different can of worms whereby if you don't actually ride over the waypoint the Nav5 might halt directions to the next one, to overcome this use the skip feature (as you pass the waypoint or just after).
On the map screen touch three bars lower LHS should bring up a screen of options the skip option is there touch skip and the device should start you onto the next waypoint.

I would also change the recalculate from Auto to prompted. this leaves the Magenta line on the map as your untouched route and you simply navigate your way back to it sometimes you have to zoom out to make sure your heading back onto it.
It's worth noting that when you touch yes to recalculate when prompted it may change your route.

In Future create a track from your route in Basecamp and set it up on your Nav5 this never changes and is a great reference to show you when your device has taken you off your desired route. :thumb
 
I had a similar priblem back in March. There was quite a thread on here about the same thing a little while ago. I tried everything to no avail, the fecking thing just wouldn't follow the pre-set route but my mates 660 would, without fail.
It was only after I got back that I wondered if switching off Auto recalculate would have worked.
Good luck.
 
I'm away om jollies at the moment and have a route planned for each day using shaping points.

A few days now the Nav V has taken me a different route.

For instance route set out of Bolzano over Gavia pass to Bormio, Nav V took us from Bolzano to Merano then over Stelvio form the north into Bormio. Stelvio was supposed to be today!....Any ideas?

I think I may have worked it out; here goes:

You wanted to go: Bolzano over Gavia pass to Bormio and plotted a route at home that went that way, putting in shaping points to route you over the Gavia pass.

You loaded the route into device and on the day of your journey you ran it

Your device altered your route to go: Bolzano to Merano then over Stelvio from the north into Bormio. This missed out the Gavia pass which is south of the Stelvio. This is the most direct route between Bolzano and Bormio.

Do I have that right? If so, I think it's probably down to operator error mixed with the way the Navigator V's much more advanced navigation and route calculation features work.

I think your device will have displayed the route you plotted correctly, right up to the point you pushed GO. When you pushed GO, it's the moment things probably went wrong.

I think you were not at your pre-planned start point when you started out. So, when the next screen gave you the choice of two - or maybe more - destinations (your start point at Bolzano and your end point of Bormio and any additional intermediate waypoints you might have added) you chose Bormio. As you were not at your start point, the device did exactly what you asked it to do.... It took you from where you happened to be to Bormio via the fastest route it could find.

This overwrites the planned route you had created. Had you selected your Bolzano start point as as your destination, your device would have recalculated your route only very slightly and according to the preferences you have set up in your device *; in short, it would have taken you from where you happened to be to your Bolzano start point and then picked up your route, over the Gavia pass and on into Bormio.

If I have all this correct, just take a bit of care as to how you operate your device; it really is much more advanced than you might think and streets ahead of earlier models like the 660. Then all should be well. Similarly, get used to looking at your direction of travel on the compass. If you are heading north for a long time when you are sure that your broad direction of travel should be west, then you should know that something is not right. In other words, do not follow your GPS device blindly... Particularly if it is taking you down roads you really did not want to follow. Your pre-planned route via the Gavia pass was on a totally different compass setting than the Stelvio route.... Heed the warning signs. If you want to be heading south, the sun should be near enough in front of you for much of the day. If it's behind you, there is a good chance you are going north. Stop and check and take a map!

* The preferences setting is really important. It's something many people forget about, setting it once and then never looking at it again. If I had a pound for every routing problem I have fixed by reminding bods that if they have set their preference to be always avoiding motorways and to always take windy roads, then there is a very good chance it will not take the M1 between London and Northamton, no matter how much they curse and swear, I'd now be long retired.

PS It is not entirely true that the Nav V will always route you through waypoints. In choosing Bormio from the choices of destinations you were probably confronted with, you (and not the device) instructed the Nav V to ignore your pre-planned route - and all its carefully prepared shaping or waypoints - instead, asking it to take you straight to Bormio according to your pre-set preferences. Had you been on your route properly, then (and only then) would the device have insisted that you go through the waypoints. Get used to how the Nav V works, looking at the route it offers up, learning how to use the skip function and a load of other features. It really is very good but it's far ahead of earlier devices, so it takes a bit of learning... That learning sometimes starts with how your create routes on your computer at home in the first place.

Hopefully, this has answered your question and the rest of your holiday will go swimmingly well.

Richard
 
Lots of useful information on Basecamp and Garmin GPS devices here http://www.wham-motorcycling.org/garmin-help/

just reading that now..

WHAM said:
Not satisfied with releasing a load of new devices, Garmin also insist that we use a wonderfully complicated bit of software called Basecamp to design and transfer our carefully crafted routes. Basecamp gives us a host of new features that help us to get lost on Sunday Mornings.

Seems about right. :D worth reading for a simple explanation on Via pts and shaping points etc.

I've 25+ years in IT and 6 Garmin units to date, and I am starting to think Garmin have seriously lost the plot. It just doesn't need to be so HARD :anger:
 
The OP's request for help has nothing to do with BaseCamp or Mapsource, nor with the way either bit of route plotting software (now miles away from him on his computer at home) work.

It probably has lots to do with the way he's using the advanced Nav V device's capabilities though.

Thankfully, I have no years in IT, so have avoided having to wear short sleeved shirts, purple socks and novelty Family Guy ties :beerjug:
 
just reading that now..



Seems about right. :D worth reading for a simple explanation on Via pts and shaping points etc.

I've 25+ years in IT and 6 Garmin units to date, and I am starting to think Garmin have seriously lost the plot. It just doesn't need to be so HARD :anger:

Using PC or Mac with BaseCamp?
 
Using PC or Mac with BaseCamp?

Always a PC, as statistically I assume are the majority of basecamp users are. The volume of posts (here and elsewhere) showing frustration suggests it's not just me. Wapping does an excellent job in explaining the eccentricities of Garmin and demonstrating that the core functionality is actually very strong. Alas it's not intuitive (IMHO an others).
 
Thanks for all this, I do actually have Basecamp. I have my laptop with me ;-)

Today's route went as planned, so I'll take note for the future.

Now that you are in the middle of your trip it may be quite difficult to amend your routes ie lack of access to Basecamp/Mapscource.

Its the auto re-calculating that's causing you issues.

If I was you I would start by changing some of your shaping points (the important ones Ofenpass, Fluella, Wolfgang & into Chur) into waypoints the Nav5 will not ignore waypoints when re-calculating it can and will ignore shaping points in some situations.
If you cant be bothered doing all then try at the very least changing the first one (not the starting point) to a waypoint.

To change the shaping point on the device (I have a 590 so it may be slightly different) go into "Apps" - "Trip planner" - choose your route - Top RHS of screen touch three bars - Edit destinations - touch yellow dot represented as shaping point and it should change to a yellow flag waypoint.

This unfortunately opens up a different can of worms whereby if you don't actually ride over the waypoint the Nav5 might halt directions to the next one, to overcome this use the skip feature (as you pass the waypoint or just after).
On the map screen touch three bars lower LHS should bring up a screen of options the skip option is there touch skip and the device should start you onto the next waypoint.

I would also change the recalculate from Auto to prompted. this leaves the Magenta line on the map as your untouched route and you simply navigate your way back to it sometimes you have to zoom out to make sure your heading back onto it.
It's worth noting that when you touch yes to recalculate when prompted it may change your route.

In Future create a track from your route in Basecamp and set it up on your Nav5 this never changes and is a great reference to show you when your device has taken you off your desired route. :thumb
 
You got it exactly right.
I have been clicking Go to the destination not the start point.


I think I may have worked it out; here goes:

You wanted to go: Bolzano over Gavia pass to Bormio and plotted a route at home that went that way, putting in shaping points to route you over the Gavia pass.

You loaded the route into device and on the day of your journey you ran it

Your device altered your route to go: Bolzano to Merano then over Stelvio from the north into Bormio. This missed out the Gavia pass which is south of the Stelvio. This is the most direct route between Bolzano and Bormio.

Do I have that right? If so, I think it's probably down to operator error mixed with the way the Navigator V's much more advanced navigation and route calculation features work.

I think your device will have displayed the route you plotted correctly, right up to the point you pushed GO. When you pushed GO, it's the moment things probably went wrong.

I think you were not at your pre-planned start point when you started out. So, when the next screen gave you the choice of two - or maybe more - destinations (your start point at Bolzano and your end point of Bormio and any additional intermediate waypoints you might have added) you chose Bormio. As you were not at your start point, the device did exactly what you asked it to do.... It took you from where you happened to be to Bormio via the fastest route it could find.

This overwrites the planned route you had created. Had you selected your Bolzano start point as as your destination, your device would have recalculated your route only very slightly and according to the preferences you have set up in your device *; in short, it would have taken you from where you happened to be to your Bolzano start point and then picked up your route, over the Gavia pass and on into Bormio.

If I have all this correct, just take a bit of care as to how you operate your device; it really is much more advanced than you might think and streets ahead of earlier models like the 660. Then all should be well. Similarly, get used to looking at your direction of travel on the compass. If you are heading north for a long time when you are sure that your broad direction of travel should be west, then you should know that something is not right. In other words, do not follow your GPS device blindly... Particularly if it is taking you down roads you really did not want to follow. Your pre-planned route via the Gavia pass was on a totally different compass setting than the Stelvio route.... Heed the warning signs. If you want to be heading south, the sun should be near enough in front of you for much of the day. If it's behind you, there is a good chance you are going north. Stop and check and take a map!

* The preferences setting is really important. It's something many people forget about, setting it once and then never looking at it again. If I had a pound for every routing problem I have fixed by reminding bods that if they have set their preference to be always avoiding motorways and to always take windy roads, then there is a very good chance it will not take the M1 between London and Northamton, no matter how much they curse and swear, I'd now be long retired.

PS It is not entirely true that the Nav V will always route you through waypoints. In choosing Bormio from the choices of destinations you were probably confronted with, you (and not the device) instructed the Nav V to ignore your pre-planned route - and all its carefully prepared shaping or waypoints - instead, asking it to take you straight to Bormio according to your pre-set preferences. Had you been on your route properly, then (and only then) would the device have insisted that you go through the waypoints. Get used to how the Nav V works, looking at the route it offers up, learning how to use the skip function and a load of other features. It really is very good but it's far ahead of earlier devices, so it takes a bit of learning... That learning sometimes starts with how your create routes on your computer at home in the first place.

Hopefully, this has answered your question and the rest of your holiday will go swimmingly well.

Richard
 
Always a PC, as statistically I assume are the majority of basecamp users are. The volume of posts (here and elsewhere) showing frustration suggests it's not just me. Wapping does an excellent job in explaining the eccentricities of Garmin and demonstrating that the core functionality is actually very strong. Alas it's not intuitive (IMHO an others).

Reading posts on this site seems to show that Mac users including myself seem to fair better with BaseCamp. The PC version is a very different program. Used MapSource with my 2610 for many years until I changed to a Mac. Been using BaseCamp since 2011. No real problems that I can recall.
 
Although in all fairness I would have expected the unit to follow a route if I selected a route , otherwise why have the option?
This also explains why when I saw Dachau signposted as I was on a route and navigated to it (see earlier post) and then re selected the route it completely missed out Alianz Arena. I would expect a sophisticated unit to recalculate the set route from my new start point and rejoin it at the nearest point. Obviously this not how it works. Not sure now how I'd add a deviation off a set route & then back to it.
 
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