Need a new battery
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Why will the bike not charge It? JJH
Do you have to have on of these trickle chargrs? JJH
Yes that's correct. I have mine on a trickle charge just so it's always ready to go as I don't ride it everyday.
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Ok Graham so you actually have one of these type of battery fitted to your bike. Would you recommend one over the standard? The blurb certainly makes it sound as though it is a better option than a standard lead acid battery and the cost of the one I am looking at is about the same as for a lead/acid battery, in fact its cheaper?? The battery I am looking at is a make called JMT from bikeaholics.
Galactic Greyhound
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Be careful with Lithium-ion batteries on a bike!
The only real advantage of using one is when racing because of the lighter weight.
For road use, they do not perform as well as a lead/acid battery in cold temperatures.
There is a danger in that they can go on fire (Lithium burns) if they are not charged correctly both when on and off the bike (ask Boeing about them!).
The charging device for Lithium-ion batteries is a specially designed unit to prevent over-charging and over-heating both of which can cause the Lithium battery to self-combust.
See here for Wikipedia article:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
Quote from link (SAFETY Section):
"See also: Plug-in electric vehicle fire incidents and Boeing 787 Dreamliner battery problems
If overheated or overcharged, Li-ion batteries may suffer thermal runaway and cell rupture.[135][136] In extreme cases this can lead to combustion."
Go for a lead/acid AGM battery by a reputable manufacturer instead.
If money is tight, go for a lead/acid 'wet' battery by a reputable manufacturer.
Check the battery terminal locations and that they are suitable in position and type for your existing battery leads.
Clean battery terminals and leads to bright metal then give a SLIGHT smear of Vaseline to all before re-connecting.
The only real advantage of using one is when racing because of the lighter weight.
For road use, they do not perform as well as a lead/acid battery in cold temperatures.
There is a danger in that they can go on fire (Lithium burns) if they are not charged correctly both when on and off the bike (ask Boeing about them!).
The charging device for Lithium-ion batteries is a specially designed unit to prevent over-charging and over-heating both of which can cause the Lithium battery to self-combust.
See here for Wikipedia article:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery
Quote from link (SAFETY Section):
"See also: Plug-in electric vehicle fire incidents and Boeing 787 Dreamliner battery problems
If overheated or overcharged, Li-ion batteries may suffer thermal runaway and cell rupture.[135][136] In extreme cases this can lead to combustion."
Go for a lead/acid AGM battery by a reputable manufacturer instead.
If money is tight, go for a lead/acid 'wet' battery by a reputable manufacturer.
Check the battery terminal locations and that they are suitable in position and type for your existing battery leads.
Clean battery terminals and leads to bright metal then give a SLIGHT smear of Vaseline to all before re-connecting.
Thanks for the replies. I have done a bit of online searching and can come up with nothing other than good to great reports frpm many online motorcycle tests about this type of battery especially for someone like myself who does not use the bike every day it would appear to be perfect for my requirements so a Li ion battery it is.
Lads, I've seen reference to a HD version of the Motobatt that fits the GS Adventure (I think the HD is for Harley Davidson) It's black not yellow.........anyone know the model number??
Motobatt MBYZ16HD it is 240 cca and 16.5 Ah a direct replacement for R1200GS & GSA batteries.
Same dimensions as original ETX14BS.
I have fitted them to several bikes including my own.
http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Mistacat1/2016-02-17 11.29.53_zps8oxc86ry.jpg
http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Mistacat1/2016-02-17 11.29.53_zps8oxc86ry.jpg
Same dimensions as original ETX14BS.
I have fitted them to several bikes including my own.
http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Mistacat1/2016-02-17 11.29.53_zps8oxc86ry.jpg
http://i1031.photobucket.com/albums/y371/Mistacat1/2016-02-17 11.29.53_zps8oxc86ry.jpg
Delboy777
Registered user
I fitted one of these after seeing the post about it and yup it turns the old girl over like a good un.
Galactic Greyhound
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If you do fit a Lithium-ion battery to your bike then ensure that you have advised your Insurance company of this modification to prevent them from wriggling out in the event of a Total Loss claim.
Should a Lithium-ion battery rupture and self-combust on your bike, then it is very likely that you will be unable to remove it due to heat or extinguish the flames because of the chemical source of the fire which will be emitting toxic fumes.
The majority of bike Insurers are not yet up to speed with the Lithium risk so keep your back covered in this respect.
No I don't have a lithium battery fitted. I bought the correct charger as I was going to get one for my R1 but as I wrote it off I didn't pursue it. When I was researching it the JMC was the one that was widely available.
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Hi galactic greyhound
Been doing a bit of reading on these Lithium-iron motorcycle batteries and it would appear the are not the same as other types of Lithium batteries and do not suffer from runaway combustion issues suffered by many other types using Cobalt for example. You give the impression that a lithium motorcycle battery has suffered a combustion event or is likely to? I am not looking for any grief it is a genuine question because I have not heard of this being an issue on any report/review I have read but that could just be because nobody has reported such and event? I am just looking for advice and if you have some tangible proof of any real issues with the battery type it would be good because the warnings you are giving are making me think that there are issues when I can read of none?? I have read of some issues where a lead/acid battery can perform better than a Lithium battery (cold weather and totally discharge) but I don't think the conditions are likely to effect me.
Been doing a bit of reading on these Lithium-iron motorcycle batteries and it would appear the are not the same as other types of Lithium batteries and do not suffer from runaway combustion issues suffered by many other types using Cobalt for example. You give the impression that a lithium motorcycle battery has suffered a combustion event or is likely to? I am not looking for any grief it is a genuine question because I have not heard of this being an issue on any report/review I have read but that could just be because nobody has reported such and event? I am just looking for advice and if you have some tangible proof of any real issues with the battery type it would be good because the warnings you are giving are making me think that there are issues when I can read of none?? I have read of some issues where a lead/acid battery can perform better than a Lithium battery (cold weather and totally discharge) but I don't think the conditions are likely to effect me.
Bendy toy
Registered user
I bought a used Odyssey that feels like solid lead. If I was buying new I would have a Shorai or Ballistic lithium. LiFePo dry cells not the same as power tool batteries.
Lithiums will run safely to nearly flat. Lead acid will safely use only 30%. Hence why Odyssey is so heavy.
Lithiums are different in cold weather. Internal resistance rises & behave like the battery is flat. But keep trying the starter & battery will self heat and start the engine. Once it's warm internal resistance falls so heating stops. A short circuit would be bad but try shorting any starter battery.
If bike lives in a garage cold start should be no hassle.
There's a vid on you tube showing a Harley starting at 11 degs F about -10C.
I'm thinking about a small LiFePo good enough for three seasons with a back up booster to plug in if needed That will boost the car computer and phone so very handy to have. Total costs not much more than a bigger Ballistic.
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Lithiums will run safely to nearly flat. Lead acid will safely use only 30%. Hence why Odyssey is so heavy.
Lithiums are different in cold weather. Internal resistance rises & behave like the battery is flat. But keep trying the starter & battery will self heat and start the engine. Once it's warm internal resistance falls so heating stops. A short circuit would be bad but try shorting any starter battery.
If bike lives in a garage cold start should be no hassle.
There's a vid on you tube showing a Harley starting at 11 degs F about -10C.
I'm thinking about a small LiFePo good enough for three seasons with a back up booster to plug in if needed That will boost the car computer and phone so very handy to have. Total costs not much more than a bigger Ballistic.
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