Never Camped, Need Advice.

Once again, thanks for all your advice.

Bought a 3 man tent today, domed with a porch. Also bought a roll-up inflatable thermarest lookalike.

As the originator of this thread, (so I can go off-topic if I want :D) what's the best way to transport the tent, mat & sleeping bag on my 1200?

Stuff 'em all in a pupose made bag or tie 'em all on seperately? Photos would be good! :thumb2

Which tent did you purchase as I may be doing the same.

karl
 
Good luck with your trip,i always had great fun just scooting about with a tent on my bike,when i was in Germany.

Tents

If this is a first trip,its best to either borrow one or just get a cheapy from millets,if you dont want to spend a lot of money on a potential one-off whim.If you are decided on going full-bore and getting one,dont be tempted to get the most expensive and high-tech you can find...you are just wasting space,weight and money on a buying a tent that is rated for the dark-side of the moon..if all you are going to use it for is a worse case scenario of a rainy day in Europe.

I prefer a semi-dome tent,this is self supporting so you do not need to have tents pegs in for the tent to stay upright or guidelines ( but its a very good idea to do so )They are quite roomy with a overhanging door flap for wet kit...also its a 1-2 person tent,( why pack a bigger tent than you need ).The water rating is not so much a requirement now,as there is some excellent re-proofing or up-rating sprays on the market that you can add later.

Even simple items like tent pegs can save a lot of weight and space...aluminium twisted spikes work well...compact and very light.And you do not need to carry rubbish like peg hammers.

Tent lights are for sale,safe contained LED units that you dangle from the roof...but you can often get cheaper and just as effective LED keychain lights .
Rollmats are essential to some people,and if you really do want them and are wanting to save space,weight and money...get the proven cheap foam type and cut the mat,so that you can lie on it with your head down to your buttocks off the floor...this is the part of the body ( upper body )you need insulated,the legs and feet are not essential.

With the tent and pegs/poles tightly wrapped up,you can have the cut-down rollmat around the tent to make a compact tube of equipment,that can be placed inside a waterproof tube sack..ortlieb.Strap down anywhere its pratical on your bike.( now you look like a proper camping biker )

Coleman Sportster 2 is the burner i use,its not especially hi-tech or lightweight...but it is affordable,fuel efficient,very robust and stable,also uses unleaded fuel rather than carrying a seperate fuel supply or gas.

Cooking utensils and pans....the pure basics are a SPORK...this is a heat resistant plastic spoon,fork and knife all in one..cheap and compact.Depending on what food you are going to make,makes a hell of a difference to your pans,if your just eating tinned stuff like stew or beans and making a cup of coffee...you can get away with metal mug ( dont burn your lips..put tape around the rim ) and a non-stick messtin,both from army surplus stores....i always have the messtin with a non-stick lid that you can use for frying as well.Anything more posh...well take what you want.

Hygiene

Dozens of stuff on the market for this,but either go to a proper army supply store or a decent camping store like Blacks or Cotswolds.Field towels are these new micro-pore cloths that dry like a mad thing,but are about a tenth of the size of a normal towel,good bit of kit.Antiseptic soap like dettol,makes you smell nice and lemony as well as being very effective as shampoo.Dont waste money on the bio-degradeable camping soaps/shampoos/gels as all they are is very expensive shower gel.Same for " travel " toothbrushes/razors/washkit bags..overpriced spag,that often break,take the normal stuff......dont fall for the re-useable toilet paper either.
 
Once again, thanks for all your advice.

Bought a 3 man tent today, domed with a porch. Also bought a roll-up inflatable thermarest lookalike.

As the originator of this thread, (so I can go off-topic if I want :D) what's the best way to transport the tent, mat & sleeping bag on my 1200?

Stuff 'em all in a pupose made bag or tie 'em all on seperately? Photos would be good! :thumb2

The tent, I would lash across the pillion seat/rack, same with the mat (in a waterproof bag) unless you are taking a pillion.

You only need a couple of lightweight webbing straps and maybe a cargo net.

Al :thumb2
 
Camping gear

Petzl LED headtorch is a must. Very small to carry and leaves both hands free! For cooking its got to be a Trangia, or a stove that will run on petrol (as you have a tank full). If you want to look at or try any of this kit then feel free to PM me as I'm near you and have a fair bit of it.

Mike
 
Italy in June will require a simple cotton liner instead of a s/bag and you may well still be boiling.

I'd forget the cooking utensil crap :rolleyes: sample the local food - it's cheap and fun - you're on your holidays after all :thumb2
 
Buy -
A good quality tent.
An Exped mattress.
A good quality sleeping bag.

Take -
A 'proper' pillow.
A small lamp.
A proper towel and a quick dry travel towel.
A washing line to run between bike and tent.

Leave at home -
All cooking stuff and eat in cafes and pubs.
 
Leave at home -
All cooking stuff and eat in cafes and pubs.

I can see the logic in not cooking as food is relatively cheap to buy when eating out. I would, however, always take a little camping stove and a teapot...couldn't start the day without my morning cuppa :thumb2
 
Ortlieb bag? When I camp I pack everything into a jumbo-sized Ortlieb bag but at one campsite, an experience BMW camper told me of my mistake. Only the stuff which must remain dry (sleeping mat, sleeping bag, etc) should go in the bag, the tent and groundsheet which may well be wet or damp, goes in it's own cotton bag, and not in the Ortleib where it can get everything else damp. A good point I hadn't thought of. As for the width of the Ortleib being so big, I can't see a damn thing in my mirrors, that's another thing altogether.
 
Buy -
A good quality tent.
An Exped mattress.
A good quality sleeping bag.

Take -
A 'proper' pillow.
A small lamp.

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Ortlieb Bags and wet gear

The ortlieb rackpacks that myself (Gearpac) and Les (Travel-dri) sell are waterproof, so any damp gear etc that goes in will stay damp which is why I usually reccomend a medium or small exped or ortlieb dry bag to put the tent in side first so you can then pop the whole package into rackpack without getting other gear wet. Though to remember to air a tent as soon as you can to dry it off. The add bonus of the ortlieb roll bags is if you have a totally saturated tent and have to put it inside they keep the water in and being light proof it tends to takes weeks for mould/mildew etc to form.

With regards too sleeping mats, I certainly agree, you got exped, ortlieb and thermarest and vango amoungst others to choose from. Exped do thicker ones, in both foam filled and down filled. The foam are cheaper, just as compact and if your not heading to the artic then still pretty good.

The downs are a bit lighter and slightly smaller when rolled up, but not much.

Might sound like a luxury but a chair converter kit for an exped mattress or therma rest for me has become a must for longer trips. Sitting on cold TT panniers night after night does nothing for your back..

Tent wise, depends on how much you wish to spend and how many times you are going to use it. The likes of millets and blacks tents are pretty good these days for summer and occasional uses. Though get some better stronger pegs. If your looking to do a lot, then get a good all weather tent. The first major storm you find your self sitting it out in, will soon emphasise that you made the correct choice.

Sleeping bags.. well I really only recommend two makes. Snugpak.. used them for years and so have the british military, and Vaude. I sell the later to order. Snugpak can be bought direct from their UK site, they are UK made too. :) . Vuade I find tend to be a bit more comfy for the large gentle man depending on the bag. As for season rating. I use a three season bag and have a seperate fleece liner to take it up a season if the weather is really cold. BUT do not skimp on a good mat and sleeping bag. A big trip can be easily ruined and made a right chore if you cannot get a reasonable nights sleep. Oh and a tip, if you have to camp on a slope, make sure your head is up hill, or you will liklely wake with a headache..lol..

Stoves.. well takes your pick on prices, styles, fuels and types. Europe tends to be well supplied for gas cansisters so no worries about that or methelated spirits.. lots of camping shops about on the whole. Petrol stoves tend to cost more, but burn at lower temperatures, so not a major problem for you really in italy.

ITALY : When in the pyrenees in 2006 I heard the first hand report from fellow campers of stuff going missing on italian campsites and have heard the same from customers and clients a few times since. It seem's if you leave any item out, or visible under the edge of your tent fly its may go walkies, but none of the people actually had any thing go missing from inside their tents, so make sure you pop all your gear out of site well inside a porch for in side the inner tent and you shouldnt have any problems. In the UK I have occasionally left my cooker out and once in france and come back to find some nice person tucked it back under the tent fly. So please don't be put off.

Edit: Torch.. oops nearly forgot.. take a small compact head torch as well, like the Tikka's from Petzl. It can get quite dark when your wandering back from the pub at times.. :)
 
Once again, everybody, thanks for replying! :thumb2

..& thanks for the pm's.

Rocks, your site is now bookmarked. Thank you.
 
Ortlieb bag? When I camp I pack everything into a jumbo-sized Ortlieb bag but at one campsite, an experience BMW camper told me of my mistake. Only the stuff which must remain dry (sleeping mat, sleeping bag, etc) should go in the bag, the tent and groundsheet which may well be wet or damp, goes in it's own cotton bag, and not in the Ortleib where it can get everything else damp. A good point I hadn't thought of. As for the width of the Ortleib being so big, I can't see a damn thing in my mirrors, that's another thing altogether.

So, what size bag should I go for then?
Does a medium 35 litre sound OK?
 
So, what size bag should I go for then?
Does a medium 35 litre sound OK?

It depends on how you have it strapped onto your bike. If you`re on your own you could strap it on lengthways so it acts like a backrest & it out of the wind so less drag. Here`s mine
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I don`t have those expensive panniers so needed a bigger bag. If you get a bigger bag you can always roll it down but too small :blast
I agree about not putting wet or damp stuff in but I`d have thought that was common sense :nenau
 


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