New battery plan

[Slipperyeel]

lithium capable charger (US site - was copying it over - I don't buy from crooks)

Amazon.com: OptiMATE Lithium 4s 0.8A, TM-471, 8-step 12.8V 0.8A sealed battery saving charger & maintainer : Automotive

Buy OptiMATE Lithium 4s 0.8A, TM-471, 8-step 12.8V 0.8A sealed battery saving charger & maintainer: Battery Chargers - Amazon.com ✓ FREE DELIVERY possible on eligible purchases

www.amazon.com

Also someone on another forum pointing this out when i mentioned the bike isn't capable of charging a lithium battery correctly

Antigravity batteries on the new Re-Start range
is the first powersports battery to offer a full onboard Battery Management System (BMS). Our new RE-START Batteries offer a true BMS, with full time Lithium Cell Balancing, Low-Voltage Cut-off, Over-discharge/ Over-charge protections and temperature protections. These features create the longest lasting, most reliable Lithium battery on the market.

I don't believe any of that. I think it's just sales talk. Electronics are not my thing, but my lithium battery hasn't missed a beat in some years now. Very low temperatures are there only foible they 'suffer' from. I think there's a lot of rubbish mixed in with the facts, muddying the waters, adding confusion. Great if you're selling batteries

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[andy79]

Hi Guys,

Long time since i've been in here. My motobatt is failing, not bad for 6 years old I suppose.
Before I order another of the same type ( MBYZ16H ) is there any better ones about these days ?

cheers,
Andy

 

[Santa-2512]

Hi Guys,

Long time since i've been in here. My motobatt is failing, not bad for 6 years old I suppose.
Before I order another of the same type ( MBYZ16H ) is there any better ones about these days ?

cheers,
Andy

Ask puckmeister, they do a hybrid one now he knows all there is to know

 

[SBD]

Ok, so just in from the garage with my new multimeter in hand, time for the big reveal... it's giving me 12.33 when cold, it started reluctantly and then gave me 14.28 after. If I leave it another week or two without using it, the bike will let me down again. It was harder to start today than last time I tried it. Eagerly, I await the verdict of The Collective.

Time to chuck the old meter in the WEEE bin…

 

[NeilMac]

Hi Guys,

Long time since i've been in here. My motobatt is failing, not bad for 6 years old I suppose.
Before I order another of the same type ( MBYZ16H ) is there any better ones about these days ?

cheers,
Andy

I'm looking for the same answer.

I just fitted a brand new MBYZ16H to my 2005 GS and it won't turn the engine over, all I get is a series of clicks from the starter solenoid.

I could go through the grief of trying to claim on warranty, or just get something else locally... but what something else to buy? Yuasa?

The YTX14-H BS looks like a useful bit of kit with 240 Amps available.

 

[andy79]

I'm looking for the same answer.

I just fitted a brand new MBYZ16H to my 2005 GS and it won't turn the engine over, all I get is a series of clicks from the starter solenoid.

I could go through the grief of trying to claim on warranty, or just get something else locally... but what something else to buy? Yuasa?

The YTX14-H BS looks like a useful bit of kit with 240 Amps available.

Oh well that sucks.
I just bought one from motorworks. Not fitted it yet.

Are you sure your starter is OK?

On my last gs ( 2008) the starter was really bad so I stripped it and cleaned it and it was good as new on assembly. I'm sure there's a guide on here or YouTube showing how to do it. Worth a go.

 

[Fifth Horseman]

I'm looking for the same answer.

I just fitted a brand new MBYZ16H to my 2005 GS and it won't turn the engine over, all I get is a series of clicks from the starter solenoid.

I could go through the grief of trying to claim on warranty, or just get something else locally... but what something else to buy? Yuasa?

The YTX14-H BS looks like a useful bit of kit with 240 Amps available.

Just read your other thread and think you've been unlucky with the battery, I recently bought a MBYZ16HD from Motorworks and have had no problems with it (so far). I'd try to pursue a warranty replacement.
I always charge a new battery before fitting.
The Yuasa battery should be a good alternative, it may also fit slightly better between the airbox mouldings than the motorbatt.
I cost is no issue then the Westco WCP14 or Banner 51401 (NOT the 51204) may be worth a punt.

 

[botus]

when I bought my odyssey AGM years back, for my 2007 GS it was much taller than the std battery and came with a longer bracket and some fins shaved off by motorworks
today it seems to say PC535 is a direct replacement for the YB16-B


PC535

Brand	Odyssey
Length 6.70"	170mm
Width 3.90"	99mm
Height 6.24"	158.5mm
CCA (EN)	200 A

when I check the recco Harley Davidson one here that pokes out some real CCA its a far taller battery but really its just a black version of a Yellow battery

MBYZ16HD

Brand	MOTOBATT
Voltage	12 Volts
Technology	AGM
Capacity (C10)	16 Ah
CCA (EN)	240 A
Length	151 mm
Width	87 mm
Height inc. terms	145 mm
Guarantee	2 Years

the one Tayna list for > 2009 GSA only puts out enough grunt to slip on a turd and is 35mm shorter (and the one in mine is a little toy battery)

MBTZ14S

Brand	MOTOBATT
Voltage	12 Volts
Technology	AGM
Capacity (C10)	11 Ah
CCA (EN)	170 A
Length	151 mm
Width	87 mm
Height inc. terms	110 mm
Guarantee	2 Years

and if I look > 2005 onwards Tayna list for the GS's a taller one ???

MBYZ16H

Brand	MOTOBATT
Voltage	12 Volts
Technology	AGM
Capacity (C10)	16 Ah
CCA (EN)	240 A
Length	151 mm
Width	87 mm
Height inc. terms	145 mm
Guarantee	2 Years

 

[NeilMac]

Just read your other thread and think you've been unlucky with the battery, I recently bought a MBYZ16HD from Motorworks and have had no problems with it (so far). I'd try to pursue a warranty replacement.
I always charge a new battery before fitting.
The Yuasa battery should be a good alternative, it may also fit slightly better between the airbox mouldings than the motorbatt.
I cost is no issue then the Westco WCP14 or Banner 51401 (NOT the 51204) may be worth a punt.

I thought I might as well try a warranty claim, nothing ventured and all that.

I went on MW's web site, signed in a went onto the Returns page, but the check boxes were unresponsive and so I was not able to select the battery and submit my claim, so I have emailed MW.

A major point of concern is that the date code on the Motobatt shows it to be two and a half years old (30 months). Yuasa suggest to stockists that 15 months is about the limit for holding batteries on the shelf.

So, let's see what Motorworks have to say.

 

[Fifth Horseman]

when I bought my odyssey AGM years back, for my 2007 GS it was much taller than the std battery and came with a longer bracket and some fins shaved off by motorworks
today it seems to say PC535 is a direct replacement for the YB16-B
.....
when I check the recco Harley Davidson one here that pokes out some real CCA its a far taller battery but really its just a black version of a Yellow battery
.....
and if I look > 2005 onwards Tayna list for the GS's a taller one ???

Tayna's application list is crap, its best to only treat it as a 'suggestion' as to what may fit, as soon as you select a battery a message comes up telling you that it is your responsibility to check the dimensions and suitability of the battery.

For some reason only known to the mothership, for a period BMW decided to fit a shortarse battery with a spacer plate underneath (cost?). Best to throw the spacer away and get the largest battery that will fit - minding the seat support bar which sits above the battery.
The MBYZ16HD fits but on my 2011 GSA needed a little 'persuasion' to fit between the location protrusions on the air filter box, also a small adjustment to the battery clamp.

Out of interest I measured the cranking current and voltage during a cold start on my bike and was surprised at the figures. A initial spike of nearly 500A where the voltage sags to around 7v then three spikes on compression of around 250A with volts around 8-9v (started after 3 compression strokes, about 1 second)

CCA is the current a battery can deliver at -17.8 degrees C (0 degrees F) over 30 seconds without the terminal voltage falling below 7.2 volts so it is this AND the battery's (rarely published) internal resistance that determines how well a battery will perform. ie it is possible to have a battery that can't sustain the discharge over 30 seconds (low CCA) but can deliver a high current surge (low internal resistance) being able to perform adequately on a normal start - have a reluctant starting engine and you need a high CCA with low internal resistance.

 

[BD]

ok. what about... disconnect the battery, charge it with a good quality charger ie cytech. note the voltage(good is 12.7), reconnect it , do the throttle sync then fire it up if its lazy please check all connections first especially the ground lead. bad corroded leads cause lazy starting as well. have fun.