New helmet needed

[NorthernBoy]

I bought a Shuberth S1 last autumn, and although I was in general very impressed with its quality, I was never totally happy with it as I got it a bit too snug, and it did not compress as much as I'd expected. Once I'd stuck the Autocom speakers in there, it actually became painful on the longer trips, and so I was planning to try to sort it out, or take the speakers out, before the next holiday wearing it.

Anyway, I find that I am saved the rouble as it was stolen this week, and so it's time for a replacement.

I am half tempted to find another S1 if they still exist (they must be getting like hen's teeth now), as it was a great price (£200), and to get it in the next size up this time, but I am also considering getting the newer model (S1 Pro), or a System 6.

But...

I'd appreciate hearing what people's thoughts are on the System 6 or S1 Pro relative to the S1; has anyone got experience of either move? The negatives of the Schuberth were that the dark visor did not do a great job (it did not come down far enough, so always left a split-field of light and dark, which was off-putting), and that what cutouts there were for speakers did not really seem to allow them to be recessed enough, leaving me with sore ears.

The good points were excellent build quality, very quiet, and absolutely never misted up (which was likely die to the pinlock anti-mist insert that I put in instead of the original visor).

The C3 is not an option for me (the shape is not the same as a System 6, and the System 6 just fits my head better), so it really just comes down to whether either choice has revealed a lot of niggles for people. I want a helmet that I don't notice once it's on, and this is not something that I can tell by just trying them in the shop. All too often a great fitting lid has turned out to annoy the hell out of me as the miles pile up, and trying to do a 600 mile day with a ferry crossing on top can be made so much harder if there is a whistling sound, a visor that will not stay in place, or just an annoying piece of velcro that hits you on the chin every fifty metres all the way to Nice.

Oh, and edited to add a supplementary question...

What is the difference between the S1 Pro and the R1?

Has one superseded the other, or are they just for different purposes, and, if so, what is the difference?

I went to HG in Welwyn yesterday, but they have pretty much nothing left in stock as they wait for the new 2010 ranges to arrive.

 

[Bohsfc]

I bought a Shuberth S1 last autumn, and although I was in general very impressed with its quality, I was never totally happy with it as I got it a bit too snug, and it did not compress as much as I'd expected. Once I'd stuck the Autocom speakers in there, it actually became painful on the longer trips, and so I was planning to try to sort it out, or take the speakers out, before the next holiday wearing it.

Anyway, I find that I am saved the rouble as it was stolen this week, and so it's time for a replacement.

I am half tempted to find another S1 if they still exist (they must be getting like hen's teeth now), as it was a great price (£200), and to get it in the next size up this time, but I am also considering getting the newer model (S1 Pro), or a System 6.

But...

I'd appreciate hearing what people's thoughts are on the System 6 or S1 Pro relative to the S1; has anyone got experience of either move? The negatives of the Schuberth were that the dark visor did not do a great job (it did not come down far enough, so always left a split-field of light and dark, which was off-putting), and that what cutouts there were for speakers did not really seem to allow them to be recessed enough, leaving me with sore ears.

The good points were excellent build quality, very quiet, and absolutely never misted up (which was likely die to the pinlock anti-mist insert that I put in instead of the original visor).

The C3 is not an option for me (the shape is not the same as a System 6, and the System 6 just fits my head better), so it really just comes down to whether either choice has revealed a lot of niggles for people. I want a helmet that I don't notice once it's on, and this is not something that I can tell by just trying them in the shop. All too often a great fitting lid has turned out to annoy the hell out of me as the miles pile up, and trying to do a 600 mile day with a ferry crossing on top can be made so much harder if there is a whistling sound, a visor that will not stay in place, or just an annoying piece of velcro that hits you on the chin every fifty metres all the way to Nice.

Oh, and edited to add a supplementary question...

What is the difference between the S1 Pro and the R1?

Has one superseded the other, or are they just for different purposes, and, if so, what is the difference?

I went to HG in Welwyn yesterday, but they have pretty much nothing left in stock as they wait for the new 2010 ranges to arrive.

Why not try and source a C2 or System 5 somewhere. Both discontinued but the few that are left are at great prices if you can find your size.
George White had a fair few C2's at the NEC.

 

[NorthernBoy]

Why not try and source a C2 or System 5 somewhere. Both discontinued but the few that are left are at great prices if you can find your size.
George White had a fair few C2's at the NEC.

I tried a C2 and did not really like the fit, but I'll check out a System 5, though, thanks.

I may wait until the bike show at Excel to see if I can find a bargain there, though (after swearing that I'd never again be suckered into spending £18 on such a rubbish show ever again).

 

[Aidan1150]

Why not try and source a C2 or System 5 somewhere.

Personally I wouldn't recommend a System 5 at all NB.

The comfort and noise levels were fine for me, but the visor mists up at the slightest hint of rain. A Pinlock might help aleviate that problem, but I have also found that in heavy rain the water ran down the inside of the visor.

A search here will confirm that I'm not the only one to have the same issues with the Sys 5, but I have read that the System 6 is an improvement.

 

[Beemerman59]

I bought a Shuberth S1 last autumn, and although I was in general very impressed with its quality, I was never totally happy with it as I got it a bit too snug, and it did not compress as much as I'd expected. Once I'd stuck the Autocom speakers in there, it actually became painful on the longer trips, and so I was planning to try to sort it out, or take the speakers out, before the next holiday wearing it.

Anyway, I find that I am saved the rouble as it was stolen this week, and so it's time for a replacement.

I am half tempted to find another S1 if they still exist (they must be getting like hen's teeth now), as it was a great price (£200), and to get it in the next size up this time, but I am also considering getting the newer model (S1 Pro), or a System 6.

But...

I'd appreciate hearing what people's thoughts are on the System 6 or S1 Pro relative to the S1; has anyone got experience of either move? The negatives of the Schuberth were that the dark visor did not do a great job (it did not come down far enough, so always left a split-field of light and dark, which was off-putting), and that what cutouts there were for speakers did not really seem to allow them to be recessed enough, leaving me with sore ears.

The good points were excellent build quality, very quiet, and absolutely never misted up (which was likely die to the pinlock anti-mist insert that I put in instead of the original visor).

The C3 is not an option for me (the shape is not the same as a System 6, and the System 6 just fits my head better), so it really just comes down to whether either choice has revealed a lot of niggles for people. I want a helmet that I don't notice once it's on, and this is not something that I can tell by just trying them in the shop. All too often a great fitting lid has turned out to annoy the hell out of me as the miles pile up, and trying to do a 600 mile day with a ferry crossing on top can be made so much harder if there is a whistling sound, a visor that will not stay in place, or just an annoying piece of velcro that hits you on the chin every fifty metres all the way to Nice.

Oh, and edited to add a supplementary question...

What is the difference between the S1 Pro and the R1?

Has one superseded the other, or are they just for different purposes, and, if so, what is the difference?

I went to HG in Welwyn yesterday, but they have pretty much nothing left in stock as they wait for the new 2010 ranges to arrive.

I have an S1 and my son an R1. The only difference seems to be the R1 doesn't have the "skirt" around the chin area.

A friend of mine has an S1 Pro and they have altered a few things around although the construction seems similar. The operation of the internal visor has moved and is now done from the L/H side of the helmet, at the bottom. This is exactly where i fit my Scala Rider Q2 which would cause an issue for me. The Pinlock visor comes standard on the S1 Pro.

From a safety/fit point of view I don't think there's much difference. I have a similar sore ear problem in that my Q2 speakers just rubs against the tip of my ears, so on long journeys it's a bit of a pain.

 

[NorthernBoy]

I have an S1 and my son an R1. The only difference seems to be the R1 doesn't have the "skirt" around the chin area.

A friend of mine has an S1 Pro and they have altered a few things around although the construction seems similar. The operation of the internal visor has moved and is now done from the L/H side of the helmet, at the bottom. This is exactly where i fit my Scala Rider Q2 which would cause an issue for me. The Pinlock visor comes standard on the S1 Pro.

From a safety/fit point of view I don't think there's much difference. I have a similar sore ear problem in that my Q2 speakers just rubs against the tip of my ears, so on long journeys it's a bit of a pain.

Thanks.

I'm edging towards the Series 6, I think (and hope that I will be able to do what others have, and get a bit of a discount), and will likely go that route unless they are reckoned to be a worse helmet than the S1 (noisier, more prone to leaking, or just less robust) overall, as I don't want to compromise quality and comfort just for the sake of having a flip-front.

If the S1 Pro is pretty much the same as the S1, then I don't think that I'd want to spend twice the price just to get the newer one (although, of course, I'd need to factor in at least £50 for the new style visor if I can't get it included).

 

[Bohsfc]

Personally I wouldn't recommend a System 5 at all NB.

The comfort and noise levels were fine for me, but the visor mists up at the slightest hint of rain. A Pinlock might help aleviate that problem, but I have also found that in heavy rain the water ran down the inside of the visor.

A search here will confirm that I'm not the only one to have the same issues with the Sys 5, but I have read that the System 6 is an improvement.

I have the System 5 and have had no probs with it regards rain getting in. I do have a pinlock on it so no fog probs either. It was my understanding from reading threads on here that it was the system 6 which had the letting in problem.