New r1250 gs withheld

[Nice 'n' Fat]

Been hunting for the video where Baron Von knobber and Hagan are discussing the bike on the sofa - haven’t found it yet BUT here is the text from one of their blogs referring to the issue with the standard suspension bike. Fagan was testing the £2500 track version of the suspension.



“Talking of control, power is nothing without it, and this bike’s USP has to be its suspension – I guess it should be for nearly £2,500. The stock arrangement is soft at the best of times and has a tendency to wallow in protest during track activity, regardless of set-up. A WP (what else?) competition cartridge kit and race-spec shock transform the 1290 from bucking ballbag to composed track scalpel. There’s none of this waiting for the bike to settle before committing to a corner and the aftermarket goodies only add to the telepathic steering. In general, it’s far more stable in every department.”

Ah right now I remember that video and they were using a bog stock Superduke 1290 R on a race track then comparing it to the same bike with the race suspension added.

That doesn't mean the stock suspension is bad for the road. It just means that the race suspension was better for the track

 

[Nutty]

Engineer, stop digging.

Actually, carry on, it’s quite amusing!

 

[Nice 'n' Fat]

Here's the vid

 

[(RIP) Edvard Munch]

Ah right now I remember that video and they were using a bog stock Superduke 1290 R on a race track then comparing it to the same bike with the race suspension added.

That doesn't mean the stock suspension is bad for the road. It just means that the race suspension was better for the track

Agreed. I can assure you that the stock suspension is fine for the road

Probably better for the road than a race setup too.

 

[Engineer]

Ah right now I remember that video and they were using a bog stock Superduke 1290 R on a race track then comparing it to the same bike with the race suspension added.

That doesn't mean the stock suspension is bad for the road. It just means that the race suspension was better for the track

What it means is that when pushed on road the KTM suspension still causes wallowing and excessive weight transfer, this is what they said - it’s fine if you don’t push it, but what’s the point of a super powerful bike if you can ‘push it’ occasionally?

 

[Engineer]

Engineer, stop digging.

Actually, carry on, it’s quite amusing!

Whenever a problem occurs with the GS you can bet your last penny that the KTM loons will crawl out of the woodwork - their nonsense has to be countered.

 

[Rasher]

BMW allegedly paid his widow a very large sum of money. Make your own conclusions...

And retro-fitted a steering damper...

...not that there was ever anything wrong with the stability of course, I guess they realised they could afford to spend some more on each bike as the new brakes they were lining up for the next model would save them a load and they wanted to reward their loyal customers in advance with a free steering damper.

 

[Arsey]

Whenever a problem occurs with the GS you can bet your last penny that the KTM loons will crawl out of the woodwork - their nonsense has to be countered.

Just a shame it’s a weekly occurrence with the shite they churn out for suckers to risk their lives on

 

[Engineer]

And retro-fitted a steering damper...

...not that there was ever anything wrong with the stability of course, I guess they realised they could afford to spend some more on each bike as the new brakes they were lining up for the next model would save them a load and they wanted to reward their loyal customers in advance with a free steering damper.

They were NOT retro fitted with a steering damper (see how easily fake news is spread) I had a 2013 LC (first LC year of production) and did roughly 24000 miles on it without any instability. The steering damper was fitted the following year.

 

[Engineer]

Just a shame it’s a weekly occurrence with the shite they churn out for suckers to risk their lives on

Check the MCIA sales statistics over the last few years, there are far more people ‘risking their lives’ on the GS than any of the competitors bikes- if you did the stats you’ll probably find proportionally more ‘incidents’ with KTM. Unless you can put the numbers on it then your comments have no substance.

 

[Arsey]

There are far more people risking their lives on the GS than any of the competitors bikes

You said it. I’ll have that for posterity.Perfect....

 

[(RIP) Edvard Munch]

What it means is that when pushed on road the KTM suspension still causes wallowing and excessive weight transfer, this is what they said - it’s fine if you don’t push it, but what’s the point of a super powerful bike if you can ‘push it’ occasionally?

I can confirm that a Superduke R can be pushed on the road.

Never tried it on the track I'm a road rider but if you've the moolah to spend to make it better on the track, why not? Won't necessarily make it better on the road tho', been that route in the past

I've had a myriad of road bikes, some that I loved a lot, that have had average to poor suspension, sorted some of 'em, lived with others but never really felt the need to 'sort' the Superduke's suspension.

Maybe I have low standards

Most suspension setups are so bloody good nowadays compared to the sort of 'two lane hogging' big bikes I started with the above may well be true

Lighten up they're really all very good once you start spending that sorta money, just a matter of preference.

 

[Neil W]

If I bought a new Chinese motorcycle and the front brake calipers leaked fluid ( a serious safety related issue despite what some posters on previous threads seemed to think) , I would still be pissed off.

If I then posted the issues on this forum everyone would jump up and shout about you get what you deserve for buying cheap sh*te and rightly so.

It is typical of BMW that they were apparently aware of the problem, they then claim the issue was sorted with the parts supplier and that only a small batch of bikes were affected and now it appears more than an initial production batch have had problems yet there may or may not be a full safety recall.

For those who say it is not a problem to have 'seepage from a caliper ' and that the warranty will sort it out , bear this in mind if you took a 3 year old bike in for its first MOT it would fail on a caliper fluid leak , it would be classed as a dangerous fault and get an immediate fail along with you being told that the vehicle cannot be ridden/driven on the road until it has been rectified.

Also ask an authorised police vehicle examiner how they would view a person using a bike on the road with the same issue especially if it was subsequently involved in a RTC or how an insurer would view subsequent claims

 

[Arsey]

If I bought a new Chinese motorcycle and the front brake calipers leaked fluid ( a serious safety related issue despite what some posters on previous threads seemed to think) , I would still be pissed off.

If I then posted the issues on this forum everyone would jump up and shout about you get what you deserve for buying cheap sh*te and rightly so.

It is typical of BMW that they were apparently aware of the problem, they then claim the issue was sorted with the parts supplier and that only a small batch of bikes were affected and now it appears more than an initial production batch have had problems yet there may or may not be a full safety recall.

For those who say it is not a problem to have 'seepage from a caliper ' and that the warranty will sort it out , bear this in mind if you took a 3 year old bike in for its first MOT it would fail on a caliper fluid leak , it would be classed as a dangerous fault and get an immediate fail along with you being told that the vehicle cannot be ridden/driven on the road until it has been rectified.

Also ask an authorised police vehicle examiner how they would view a person using a bike on the road with the same issue especially if it was subsequently involved in a RTC or how an insurer would view subsequent claims

Luckily for BMW they seem to have collected up all the blinkered muppets of the world with little imagination and who will blindly buy bike after bike,always just before the warranty expires.
‘Tis a funny old world.

 

[Engineer]

Luckily for BMW they seem to have collected up all the blinkered muppets of the world with little imagination and who will blindly buy bike after bike,always just before the warranty expires.
‘Tis a funny old world.

If the other manufacturers had more imagination their sales would be comparable.

 

[Engineer]

Here's the vid

That’s the video I was searching for! - stock suspension a bit lacking even on the road unless you switch to girly comfort mode

 

[knutk]

Luckily for BMW they seem to have collected up all the blinkered muppets of the world with little imagination and who will blindly buy bike after bike,always just before the warranty expires.
‘Tis a funny old world.

And some people thrive on shit.

 

[(RIP) Edvard Munch]

Luckily for BMW they seem to have collected up all the blinkered muppets of the world with little imagination and who will blindly buy bike after bike,always just before the warranty expires.
‘Tis a funny old world.

I've had an awful lot of fun on Bimmers too and many brilliant memories.

Hope to have many more.

I hope that doesn't mean I'm a 'blinkered muppet' but if so I'll take it on the chin

It's quite fun being admired by non-bikers and despised by 'bikers'.

The opposite of KTM's where non-bikers go 'Eh' and 'bikers' apparently lurve them

I've owned both marques and like them both for different reasons.

Boring really but hey ho, carry on

 

[Arsey]

And some people thrive on shit.

Pleased to hear you’re enjoying the 1250

 

[tanneman]

So the blinkered muppet changed this 1250 thread into a GS vs KTM thread in one single post with drivel that he can't back up. Well done you knob. Continue to suck up to BMW. They need gullible halfwits to continue existing. Suspension - even BMW has the bottom of range shit, same as every other manufacturer currently. Changing front brake calipers from a reputable supplier to a nobody and you honestly believe that the shit would come home to roost. You walked straight into this with eyes open. But as it has been said. It is very difficult to win an argument with an intelligent person but damn near impossible to win an argument with an imbecile. As you were.