Nitrogen in tyres interesting points

[Deleted account 200123001]

To quote the infamous wiki "reaction with hydrogen (H2) using a metal catalyst under high temperatures and pressures:


Before the development of the Haber process, ammonia had been difficult to produce on an industrial scale"

Inert, I don't think so. Low on the reactivity scale...yes bit of a difference I'd say.

 

[Mr Derek]

Ah....another misinformation thread.

Corrected for you

 

[Old Den]

Nitrogen

Tip,
More important that the normal compressed air you are using is free of moisture.
Most compressor tanks are not drained on a regular basis.

 

[JerseyNeil]

It’s marketing

Before filling a tyre with nitrogen it already contains it’s own internal volume of air at ambient pressure (roughly 1 bar at sea level)

Which happens to also be 14.7psi

 

[Engineer]

To quote the infamous wiki "reaction with hydrogen (H2) using a metal catalyst under high temperatures and pressures:


Before the development of the Haber process, ammonia had been difficult to produce on an industrial scale"

Inert, I don't think so. Low on the reactivity scale...yes bit of a difference I'd say.

In the world of chemistry, N2 is considered an inert gas, the triple bond energy is about as high as you can get. Even with the catalyst high temperatures and pressures are required.

See table on this link
http://www.wiredchemist.com/chemistry/data/bond_energies_lengths.html

 

[Greg Masters]

In the world of chemistry, N2 is considered an inert gas, the triple bond energy is about as high as you can get. Even with the catalyst high temperatures and pressures are required.

See table on this link
http://www.wiredchemist.com/chemistry/data/bond_energies_lengths.html

N2 is not inert.

If it was, they'd still be ships carrying guano from south America to Europe. Either that, or you would have starved to death by now.

 

[Engineer]

N2 is not inert.

If it was, they'd still be ships carrying guano from south America to Europe. Either that, or you would have starved to death by now.

Your chemistry knowledge is somewhat lacking - if Nitrogen gas wasn’t inert then it would exist the atmosphere in the quantity it does, 78%, it would have reacted and formed compounds.

Even the so called inert Noble gases can be made to form compounds under the right conditions, so there is no such thing as 100% inert, but Nitrogen gas is considered to be inert.

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Sadly I have to agree with fuse tester

Nitrogen is about as inert as it comes but not to be confused with the Noble gasses

 

[Deleted account 191119001]

Sadly I have to agree with fuse tester

Nitrogen is about as inert as it comes but not to be confused with the Noble gasses

I shall let that pass in the wind Rick.

 

[Greg Masters]

- if Nitrogen gas was inert then ....

... we wouldn't have the thousands of nitrogen compounds that we do:

Hydrides: NH3 NH4+ NH2− MNH2 N3− NH2OH N2H4 N3–
Organic: -NH2 -CHR=NHR -CONHR2 HCN CN− C2N2 H2NCN CH2N2
Oxides: N2O NO NO2 N2O3 N2O4 N2O5 H2N2O2 H4N2O4 HNO2 HNO3 HONO3 HN2O2− N2O22− NO2− ONOO− NO3− NO43− O2NOO− NO+ NO2+
Halides: NF3 NCl3 NBr3 NI3 FN3 ClN3 BrN3 NH2Cl NHCl2


I think you've been too much on the laughing gas!

 

[Engineer]

... we wouldn't have the thousands of nitrogen compounds that we do:

Hydrides: NH3 NH4+ NH2− MNH2 N3− NH2OH N2H4 N3–
Organic: -NH2 -CHR=NHR -CONHR2 HCN CN− C2N2 H2NCN CH2N2
Oxides: N2O NO NO2 N2O3 N2O4 N2O5 H2N2O2 H4N2O4 HNO2 HNO3 HONO3 HN2O2− N2O22− NO2− ONOO− NO3− NO43− O2NOO− NO+ NO2+
Halides: NF3 NCl3 NBr3 NI3 FN3 ClN3 BrN3 NH2Cl NHCl2


I think you've been too much on the laughing gas!

Oh dear, you are determined to remain in ignorance - too many people put saving face before knowledge.

 

[Engineer]

Sadly I have to agree with fuse tester

Nitrogen is about as inert as it comes but not to be confused with the Noble gasses

That’s the point I’m trying to make but it ain’t getting through.

 

[Greg Masters]

Oh dear, you are determined to remain in ignorance - too many people put saving face before knowledge.

I bow to your je ne sais quoi.

Just explain Lithium nitride before you go though....

 

[Engineer]

I bow to your je ne sais quoi.

Just explain Lithium nitride before you go though....

No - You can read it more easily here as to why ‘unreactive’ or ‘inert’ N2 can form a compound with one of the most reactive elements known, Lithium, where it can’t with most other things, except under special circumstances - these exceptions prove the generality that Nitrogen gas in ‘inert’.

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-only-lithium-react-with-nitrogen-while-the-other-alkali-metals-do-not

 

[developer]

The most forum like of forum threads

Starts with good intention
Meanders a bit
Goes so far off track it becomes irrelevant to the OP
Degenerates into a squabble
Ends up as my cock's bigger than your cock
Survives well enough to reach many pages of fodder, keeping the voyeurs happy

And eventually disappears without a trace...

Classic

 

[Greg Masters]

these exceptions prove the generality that Nitrogen gas in ‘inert’.

Meaning, of course, the the exception tests the rule.

The fact is, that, however you want to dress this up, nitrogen can react to form very many compounds.

Your original statement:

Nitrogen is ‘inert’ ... [qualified]

...as with so many things that you post, delivers as fact points that, when tested, as not quite as factual as you'd have the reader believe.

 

[Deleted account 191119001]

The most forum like of forum threads

Starts with good intention
Meanders a bit
Goes so far off track it becomes irrelevant to the OP
Degenerates into a squabble
Ends up as my cock's bigger than your cock
Survives well enough to reach many pages of fodder, keeping the voyeurs happy

And eventually disappears without a trace...

Classic

+1 on that typical tosser style, but Engineer is an Engineer so he should know, he has also done chemistry, clever bod is our fusetester, I am just a thick hoping to learn something twat, with a mini twat suit.

 

[Blackal]

Meaning, of course, the the exception tests the rule.

The fact is, that, however you want to dress this up, nitrogen can react to form very many compounds.

Your original statement:



...as with so many things that you post, delivers as fact points that, when tested, as not quite as factual as you'd have the reader believe.

That’s because he pretends he knows, then googles it - and then has to muddle his words to make it look like he was saying that all the time..................

 

[Deleted account 200123001]

In the world of chemistry, N2 is considered an inert gas

In this we agree.

Terminology seemingly the problem.

If something is intrinsically inert it will not react under any circumstances...Though very few things are.

However, I concur Nitrogen is seemingly referred to as an inert gas (in relative terms) but only as a convenient label.

But as Greg has shown Nitrogen is definitely not inert with the right conditions.

 

[rogerstan]

In this we agree.

Terminology seemingly the problem.

If something is intrinsically inert it will not react under any circumstances...Though very few things are.

However, I concur Nitrogen is seemingly referred to as an inert gas (in relative terms) but only as a convenient label.

But as Greg has shown Nitrogen is definitely not inert with the right conditions.

Might start feeding the wife some Nitrogen sandwiches. can't promise that i wouldn't get a reaction under any circumstances tho'