Nitrogen in tyres interesting points

[AberdeenAngus]

Ah....the misinformation thread.

 

[JJH]

If there was going to be an advantage in using a different gas I'd try helium. Why? Lower weight. Yes really. Still wouldn't bother. JJH

 

[Deleted account 191119001]

If there was going to be an advantage in using a different gas I'd try helium. Why? Lower weight. Yes really. Still wouldn't bother. JJH

That would be worse than my thread JJh.

 

[JJH]

That would be worse than my thread JJh.

At least it would be something different for people to get their teeth into. JJH

 

[Engineer]

You've not heard of the Haber-Bosch and the Born-Haber processes?

I did A-Level chemistry, followed by the first year of degree in chemistry (until I got bored with it) so yes I have heard of them

 

[Engineer]

I’ve just dusted of my 1972 copy of Cotton and Wilkinson ‘Advanced Inorganic Chemistry, A Comprehensive Text, third edition’

Page 344, section 12-3 states,

‘Nitrogen occurs in Nature mainly as the inert diatomic gas N2........’

 

[Deleted account 191119001]

I’ve just dusted of my 1972 copy of Cotton and Wilkinson ‘Advanced Inorganic Chemistry, A Comprehensive Text, third edition’

Page 344, section 12-3 states,

‘Nitrogen occurs in Nature mainly as the inert diatomic gas N2........’

What have I done I have woken the monster.

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Costco use Nitrogen in their tyre places ( allegedly)

 

[Deleted account 191119001]

Costco use Nitrogen in their tyre places ( allegedly)

Could be a new marketing toy for Tesco,s.

 

[Engineer]

Here you go

Note the dislocation energy.

 

[adventuredon]

It's a fad to give some bikers yet more bragging rights to a problem that doesn't exist for road conditions. One of the advantages in racing is less pressure sensitivity with temperature changes hence more predictable grip which is AFAIK why racing teams may use Nitrogen. Longer term, Nitrogen is less likely to migrate through micro-porous tyre walls (apparently). There's little to no chance of most people's tyres prematurely ageing to the point it becomes a problem due to using air over an inert gas. Your tyres will wear out long before that ever becomes a real issue. UV degradation may be more problematical for those who don't have a garage (long exposure can harden compounds and reduce grip levels) but even then not until 2 or 3 years have passed from fitting new rubber. Nitrogen won't prevent that. Air is free and good enough!

Unless you top up at a petrol station, then its an overpriced gas at £1 to start...rip off. Just like water for your windscreen wipers!

 

[Nutty]

I’ve just dusted of my 1972 copy of Cotton and Wilkinson ‘Advanced Inorganic Chemistry, A Comprehensive Text, third edition’

Page 344, section 12-3 states,

‘Nitrogen occurs in Nature mainly as the inert diatomic gas N2........’

I’m very disappointed you needed to look it up.

 

[Engineer]

I’m very disappointed you needed to look it up.

Only the details, it is very well known that Nitrogen gas is very inert.

 

[Deleted account 191119001]

Only the details, it is very well known that Nitrogen gas is very inert.

I have just let some gas go, it was not inert at all.

 

[Engineer]

I have just let some gas go, it was not inert at all.

Then don’t fill your tyres with it.

 

[Deleted account 191119001]

Then don’t fill your tyres with it.

Might be better in the tank.

 

[stolzy]

You've not heard of the Haber-Bosch and the Born-Haber processes?

I'd not heard of either until I googled.

I'm still trying to work out the relevance to Engineer's post.

 

[Deleted account 190920002]

With working in PD came across talk amongst saturation divers, could this be used for tyres? After seeing this https://youtu.be/YIvxt3X2lOE I realised NO

 

[®win]

Nitrogen, on the other hand, is an inert, dry gas and does not support moisture. The use of 93-95% pure nitrogen will prevent premature tire aging and wheel corrosion due to internal moisture. However, some experts say that under normal driving conditions, a tire’s tread will reach its minimum usable depth long before any effect of oxidation on the tire wall

And even if the tyres aren't worn before that, the outside will show aging cracks long before any steel belts inside the rubber will rust (or the tyre is damaged and needs replacing anyway).


As others already mentioned, the Nitrogen story is

 

[Engineer]

I'd not heard of either until I googled.

I'm still trying to work out the relevance to Engineer's post.

I think he was try to say that Nitrogen could not be inert because it can be made to react with Hydrogen to produce ammonia. Nitrogen compounds are many but Nitrogen gas N2 is pretty inert because it takes a lot of energy to break the N-N triple bond.