No. It's definitely crap.

[Nutty]

Still no answer to my question then

 

[The Grey One]

Go and have a play with a Nav 6, then come back with your findings. Then I'll listen to you.

I doubt you would! In fact it matters not that I don't have a Nav 6, my comments would apply to any modern device, a new mobile for instance. We all have to learn how to use these devices and most learning proccesses involve making mistakes.

Why are you, and some others, not prepared to even consider operator error? Is is pride, stubboness or stupidity?

It is very clear from some of the responses that some folk have never actually read the user manual. I grant you its not the usual way, we tend to open the box and play with our new toys without bothering to read anything. I am as guilty as anyone of doing this. But when the toy does not perform as expected grown ups read the manual and try to work out just what caused the problem. Grown ups are open to the idea that their input might just have somethng to do with it. Grown ups ask for help and are prepared to consider any advice given.

I repeat I have never said that it must be operator error, just that people should accept that such error is possible.

John

 

[steveC]

Just lucky

As a old biker (67 ) and a former luddite I thought a quality map and a highlighter pen was the height of technology.

About 5 years ago I treated myself to a nav3 which I still have and use. There was a wealth of info on you tube on the subject and whilst I struggled I did get the hang of the system. I will say that unless I used it on a regular basis there followed a period of relearning.

I did get a free nav 5 when I bought a new bike and that was just a natural progression from the nav3. I have downloaded ride magazine routes and altered them to suit. I even did the same on the nav3 but that threw up the warning your maps are out of date. But that old unit still would run the rides.

The nav5 was sold with the GS. I bought a used Tom tom 410 from this site to go on my 2011 R1200r. That works just fine and I have no problem downloading routes and altering them.

Yes I found basecamp a pain and not user friendly. If its your desire to use basecamp you just have to keep going at it. I tried out other free alternatives to basecamp and got on with motogolco rather well.

I can appreciate users being frustrated with basecamp. Perhaps wapping did when he first used it, or he may well be a pilot in which case it could already be second nature to him.

I feel for those that struggle with sat nav's but don't give up. I always and I mean always have a selection of maps for every trip I do. It would be rather silly not to.

 

[Wapping]

So where is my user mistake with planning route?
Personally I think it's expensive piece of shit!

I have just picked up my expensive piece of shit and asked it to plot me a route A to B, Middletown to Buttington using the fastest time, with no preferences other than avoiding U-turns and unpaved roads set. The mode used is motorcycle. As far as I can see this route would take me straight past where your expensive piece of shite throws a wobbly and takes you off the A458, yes or no?

My expensive piece of shit, routed me (not unsurprisingly, perhaps) straight down the A458 with no detours off any sideroads at all. A journey of 2.9 miles taking three minutes.

I then deleted the route from my piece of expensive shite.

I then changed the preference setting from fastest time to wiggly roads and asked the expensive piece of shite to calculate the same A to B route again.

Again, it routed me straight down the A458, not troubling itself to detour off at all.

So, two identical A to B routes, two different settings, two identical results, neither featuring any kind of deviation from the A458.

I am now at a loss to understand how or why your piece of expensive shite is behaving differently to my expensive piece of shite, when calculating an A to B route with nothing (by way of any points) in between. Maybe it has something to do with the total route length, my little route to experiment only was very short. Maybe it's something about the way you ask your device to plot routes? Is the road you detour off down an unpaved road or feature a U-turn? If so, that might explain why my device avoided deviating off? Maybe your device really is corrupted and / or subject to demonic possession? Who knows?

Now, over to you to share your route file with us to see if we can find a way to replicate your problem.

Failing that, get yourself a house brick and a length of string. Tie the device to the brick and hurl it at the vendor or into the nearest river. You'll feel better, no doubt about it.

 

[Deleted account 200417001]

Maybe it's like everything else in Wales, refuses to work and blames everyone else?

 

[TheWitcher]

I have just picked up my expensive piece of shit and asked it to plot me a route A to B, Middletown to Buttington using the fastest time, with no preferences other than avoiding U-turns set. The mode used is motorcycle. As far as I can see this route would take me straight past where your expensive piece of shite throws a wobbly and takes you off the A458, yes or no?

My expensive piece of shit, routed me (not unsurprisingly, perhaps) straight down the A458 with no detours off any sideroads at all. A journey of 2.9 miles taking three minutes.

I then deleted the route from my piece of expensive shite.

I then changed the preference setting from fastest time to wiggly roads and asked the expensive piece of shite to calculate the same A to B route again.

Again, it routed me straight down the A458, not troubling itself to detour off at all.

So, two identical A to B routes, two different settings, two identical results, neither featuring any kind of deviation from the A458.

I am now at a loss to understand how or why your piece of expensive shite is behaving differently to my expensive piece of shite, when calculating an A to B route with nothing (by way of any points) in between. Maybe it has something to do with the total route length, my little route to experiment only was very short. Maybe it's something about the way you ask your device to plot routes? Maybe your device really is corrupted and / or subject to demonic possession? Who knows?

Now, over to you to share your route file with us to see if we can find a way to replicate your problem.

Failing that, get yourself a house brick and a length of string. Tie the device to the brick and hurl it at the vendor or into the nearest river. You'll feel better, no doubt about it.

So much aggression...

First of all I never said anything bad or rude about anyone on this forum so please calm down.

As I said I am at work and can't share any settings or route right now

 

[Wapping]

Wow, if you think that's aggression you must really hate your aggressive GPS device, Adam.

Tell you what, you find your own solutions to the problem as I am now bored with trying out ways in my own time with my piece of expensive shite to help you. Now, that's aggressive.

Cheers.

 

[Wapping]

Maybe it's like everything else in Wales, refuses to work and blames everyone else?

You know what? You may well be right.

 

[Nutty]

I doubt you would! In fact it matters not that I don't have a Nav 6, my comments would apply to any modern device, a new mobile for instance. We all have to learn how to use these devices and most learning proccesses involve making mistakes.

Why are you, and some others, not prepared to even consider operator error? Is is pride, stubboness or stupidity?

It is very clear from some of the responses that some folk have never actually read the user manual. I grant you its not the usual way, we tend to open the box and play with our new toys without bothering to read anything. I am as guilty as anyone of doing this. But when the toy does not perform as expected grown ups read the manual and try to work out just what caused the problem. Grown ups are open to the idea that their input might just have somethng to do with it. Grown ups ask for help and are prepared to consider any advice given.

I repeat I have never said that it must be operator error, just that people should accept that such error is possible.

John

Why so defensive? And condescending?

And still neither you, or anyone else praising how great Garmin is, and how stupid everyone else is, are prepared to answer a question that I've posted several times in this very thread.

Even Wapping (who knows everything about Garmin & Basecamp ) has also had issues with his Nav 6, as per my previous post & link, so it's obviously not just us simpletons that have been struggling.

If you read my question, and answer it, you can then step down from your high horse. If you can't answer my question, I'll just leave it there, as you're obviously not prepared to admit that there is an issue.

 

[Wapping]

Re. My problem. Yes, it was self-inflicted, failing to recognise that the 'Automatically skip waypoints' function in the Nav VI would operate in the way it does, overriding instructions not to recalculate a hand built route. I now know how it works (once the penny drops, it's quite obvious) and all is well.

The really great news is that I was able to get myself out of the problem, on the move *, using the same device (aka expensive piece of shit); rejoined my lovingly BaseCamp created handcrafted route and still made it to the waypoint rendezvous for coffee. But hey, maybe I am just lucky?

I am though absolutely stumped by The Witcher's problem, whereby he's routed off a main road in Wales, as - no matter how hard I try - I can't replicate it within my Nav VI. Another bod failed to replicate it, too. If we rule out operator error (as was the cause of my problem) demonic possession ** - or some viral offshoot of the Curse of Nutty - are the only guesses I have left.



* It's the equivalent of using a mobile phone whilst driving. But it doesn't count as I chose to do it and - just like riding at speeds I deem appropriate - is fully endorsed by the Bikers' Charter.


** Also known as a duff device that needs to be reurned to the seller for repair, replacement or a full refund. There again, a hard re-set might do it, perhaps? People swear by them, so what's to lose?

 

[Deleted account 191119001]

Interesting, my Zumo 660 behaves in a similar way, no scurvy road option but when the vehicle is changed to motorcycle it goes all over the place, consequently I always keep it in 'Car' mode..

Now that is an interesting point, must try that, thanks for pointing that out.

 

[The Grey One]

Why so defensive? And condescending?

And still neither you, or anyone else praising how great Garmin is, and how stupid everyone else is, are prepared to answer a question that I've posted several times in this very thread.

Even Wapping (who knows everything about Garmin & Basecamp ) has also had issues with his Nav 6, as per my previous post & link, so it's obviously not just us simpletons that have been struggling.

If you read my question, and answer it, you can then step down from your high horse. If you can't answer my question, I'll just leave it there, as you're obviously not prepared to admit that there is an issue.

I don't share your interpretation of comments re user error. To make a mistake is not stupid, that only comes when someone refuses to accept it might have been a mistake. I also don't know how I can make my views any clearer. I accept there may be an issue with these devices but I also accept that some or even all of the problems may be due to the way they are being used. Both are possible and only if we approach the problems with an open mind can we hope to resolve them.

I hve trawled back through this thread to find the question you refer to. I might have missed something but the only queston I could find was asking what problems you had with your Nav V. I am afraid I can't help you there, did you write them down somewhere when they happened? Is there something that might jog your memory?

If you are tying to establish that you had no problems with the Nav V therefore anything that goes wrong on your 6 must be a fault then there is a major flaw in that argument. It assumes that the later device must work in exactly the same way as the older one. The problem Wapping had shows that not to be the case and he has admitted that he had inadvertenly caused the problem. What he did then is learn from the experience and adjust the way he uses the device, he reports no further problems.

We have yet to have sight of the routes some have mentioned as proving the device is "shite" I would prefer to wait for details to be posted. We can all then have a look, you never know we might all agree the device is at fault. On the other hand someone may have a solution, something that turns the turd into a useful device. All I am saying it we should be open to all possibilities.

John

 

[skipper]

Today's Daily Mail

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[The Grey One]

Today's Daily Mail

You read the Daily Heil? If anything is a sign of losing ones mind, that is!

John

 

[Hubcap]

Today's Daily Mail

you admit to reading the Daily Mail?

 

[Wapping]

It's not some owners of GPS devices that suffer from the affliction. It's their (expensive, branded) GPS devices, that do not know where they are, what route they should be on, bloody senile things that guides them along roads that are so obviously so wrong that a blind man could see it and only a really stupid man would ride along, that can't get them from A to B.....

Ask them to give up their devices, though? Never! They'd be lost without them.

 

[leedude03]

The Nutty GSER

I will presume that this Quote (You've got to admit that it's a pretty big coincidence that quite a few people on here that have used Garmin and Nav 4's/ 5's are also reporting the same issues?) is the question you require an answer to.

Why do you think this is?

I will try to answer it if this is the question you refer to.

If you take a look back into the history of satnavs on this very forum, you can if you wish to go back as far as the zumo 400 or further, but i think you will find there is no need, as each individual forum for each individual model of nav tends to start with problems and not people praising how brilliant they are, and most of these so called problems tend to be either of peoples own doing or misunderstandings of how the unit works or how they think it should work (because the one before used to work that way), and with some problems that have been found on early purchased units there will be a firmware/software upgrades that may fix said issue, (is this right should it be sent out half baked) no it should not, but such is the need of the public for the next new toy or the big companies rush to get it to them (more pennies for them,) think Windows for a big example, and how many people use that and still moan.
Now to cover the misunderstanding of how it should work, or of peoples own doing, this would now be called user error, why now you may ask, simple because with hindsight and experience over time and looking back at previous history of similar devices this is what tends to happen, people blame the device when in actual fact most of the time its user error, not always (read above) but mostly.

And in the event that Garmin or who ever have really produced the pile of shit that people say it is, and it can not be fixed or they cant wait for the manufacturer to fix with an update as has hapened in the past (look back over the history in the sat nav forum) then get your money back if you can.

One last thing, there should be no need for someone to explain this to you, you should already know.

 

[russ996duke]

Now that is an interesting point, must try that, thanks for pointing that out.

Yep had this with my old 660 too, car mode solved it for me!
Problems like this do seem to bring out the usual suspects all with their own axe to grind, no doubt it will descend into mapsource versus basecamp at some point
here is my tuppence worth
My new 590 does things very differently to the 660, it has lots of options to do with routing which are mostly self explanatory but occasionally take a bit of thinking about to get the desired effect. The option are helpfully NOT all stored in the same menus...this is Garmin after all!
It is only called a piece of shite until it starts doing what I want it do, which usually coincides with the "light" dawning when playing with its functions and see how to get it to do what I think i want it do,but perhaps that is just part of the learning curve with new kit.
It can be frustrating especially for me when I begin to wonder if the kit is malfunctioning in some way, I do not doubt that some units may well be u/s..or at least in need of a reset


I just wonder if some option tucked away somewhere is affecting the way the OP route is shown? Lets have a look at screen shots of your set up pages and a copy of the route too

 

[Bounce]

Interesting, my Zumo 660 behaves in a similar way, no scurvy road option but when the vehicle is changed to motorcycle it goes all over the place, consequently I always keep it in 'Car' mode..

I'm going to try this next week when I'm out........maybe the 660 isn't 'that bad' after all

 

[Hubcap]

The Nutty GSER

I will presume that this Quote (You've got to admit that it's a pretty big coincidence that quite a few people on here that have used Garmin and Nav 4's/ 5's are also reporting the same issues?)

is the question you require an answer to...Why do you think this is?

I will try to answer it if this is the question you refer to.

If you take a look back into the history of satnavs...

One last thing, there should be no need for someone to explain this to you, you should already know.

By osmosis?