Northern Ireland Forum

think it is ok as is :thumb
only thing i would say is if some of us post a for sale in the ireland section it is very quickly moved to for sale and wanted.

i realize that is the proper section but think we could be given some leeway as we are isolated from rest of 'british isles'.

agree that at times the section is very quiet.do we need it to be twice as quiet?

good question tho sb certainly livened up the section for a day or 2 :D

cheers
 
I have taken all that you have said on board. I have read your replies, over and over again, and I will reply in general terms. Hopefully those of you that have contributed too this discussion, will recognise, to whom I am referring.
Right where do I start. Again can I say, that I do not feel an extra forum would contribute to the downfall or weaken the status of this forum. Yes it can be quiet, but so can the whole website. This very forum was started, on the back of the success of the original N. Ireland forum, and has matured and grown in its own way. I do not feel that there would be any trouble caused by creating a new forum, as often as is the case. New forums appear on the rest of the board, on a regular basis. No-one appears to ever have any complaints about a new forum being created, therefore, where is the extra hassle created. Does it not give us something extra to dip into?

A Southern member replied to me, that he felt like a visitor or foreigner, on this UK board. Maybe that's not the exact words he used, but I'm sure you get my drift, well gents that is exactly how I feel, about being in on the Ireland forum, I know that is not the case ofcourse, I make no apologies for it, thats just the way I feel.
This brings me back to the original reason for the suggestion, and that is a personal identity. I have no problem flitting between threads, and contributing, so why should the rest of you? You don't complain or object to any other threads, so why should the existance of a N. Ireland forum, trouble you so much, if you don't want to contribute, don't come in. If you feel it would hold no interest for you, don't come in, but it wouldn't stop me making a valuable contribution anywhere else, including the Ireland Forum. We all have areas in which we like to contribute to, some we don't contribute too at all.
So what is the big problem? Having a N. Ireland forum I believe would give those of us up north, a place to deal with local issues, and therefore not tying up the rest of the Irish section, with what could be described a boring, mundane, dross. I have nowhere to post this type of information, and so don't, because it would be of absolutely no interest to the Southern Brethern, eg, the Joe Duffy's debacle about the price of a bloody tyre, and the endless threads it created. :D
All of the above I feel reasonable arguement enough to continue this debate, and I realise that most of the newbies mainly from the North, are coming on here for the first time and saying , 'Ah what a great forum!' Yes it is, and I agree whole heartedly, but what I would say to you is, that it was developed and established from previous good work, and it attracted a tremendous amount of attention from our Southern friends, who had no problem joining in. 'They came in their droves', as they say. But please remember where you come from, and don't chastise me because I dare to request what I feel would be a very small change. I still do not feel I ask a lot, and once established, the contributions would flow.
Once again I leave you to chew over this, and hopefully I may have influenced some in part.... :thumb
 
STUBBS said:
lifes to short to worry about who says what and where how far do you then take it a northern ni group

Mr Stubbs, Ask yourself this. You have a particular part of this forum you subscribe too!, Why? because you live there. Would you be happy that all of the England region was lumped as one, I don't think so. Therefore don't deny me the right to subscribe to my own region. Ireland is not a Region, it is a bloody big country, infact, when I last checked, it was 2 countries....
 
RIGHT

. . .agree, Bin, it's gettin' to be a bit of an embarrassment . .
 
P.J. said:
. . .agree, Bin, it's gettin' to be a bit of an embarrassment . .

Like I said, if you don't want to contribute don't. But don't be embarrassed, I'm not, sorry you should lose interest after a couple of lines, it is a debate, and so far I see you have contributed absolutely zilch. Go and be embarrassed somewhere else!
 
Mr. Baron,

With all due respect, the support for your proposal has been a bit too sparse to qualify as a debate. If you go on much more, it will begin to seem like a rant. No issue, just re-classify and welcome.

LB
 
Bin Ridin said:
Mr. Baron,

With all due respect, the support for your proposal has been a bit too sparse to qualify as a debate. If you go on much more, it will begin to seem like a rant. No issue, just re-classify and welcome.

LB

Is a debate, not a gathering of different opinions, I expressed my opinion, and people gave theirs. I simply felt that some opinions expressed here warranted a reply and an explanation, on my part. Its an awful pity, that 2 pages on a topic can be considered an embarrassing one especially after some of the Dross that gets posted on here. Obviously people were interested enough to reply, I still think it was reasoned arguement, and there is nothing wrong with a bit of diversity. Its only a suggestion FFS. Or is politics rearing its ugly head again. You have obviously maintained some interest in the topic, as your still reading it. I will not apologise for having my opinion, and I will not be brow beaten into changing it. Only reasoned arguement will do that, and so far I have not read anything thus far....
 
schwarz baron said:
When I organised runs, no-one felt excluded, we had quite a large in-put from those from the south, everyone was invited. We have a fair size of a GS population on the Ireland forum. After all, suggest to the less busy regions in England that they amalgamate with others, and see what reaction you get, I bet it would not be favourable. Why would that be? It's because they identify themselves with a certain region, as do I, and therefore I believe a Northern forum would be the best place to promote, what I feel is great about my little corner of the country.
As to a moderator only posting 18 posts, well then change the moderator, its not about personalities, its about a place with a lot of character and interest, and its own personal identity, that is bursting with secret hiding places, and because of that reason, I believe it deserves as it had before its own forum. For there are plenty of members from the north who are best placed to impart what they know about here, and that is by no means being disrespectful to our southern brethern, for they are by the same token in the same position in the south.
I know I am setting myself up here, but once again, in the most apolitical way I can possibly express myself, there is a whole part of the country, if not a country itself, not officially recognised on this forum.
go ahead give me both barrels :thumb

Schwarz baron. I didn't reply last night as it was too late. I'm sure that you did do a lot of good work when the forum was set up at first and fair play to you for that and I'm sure that no one would stop you now. If you Identify yourself with NI I'm sure that no one has a problem with that. You mention in your post above that NI is a great little corner of the country and again you are pushing against an open door here as far as thats concerned. I don't see how a NI forum would serve to promote that??? Surely you would be preaching to the converted. An all Ireland forum serves as a bigger pool to promote what is great " about my little corner of the country." (or any other part of it for that matter!!) Not only among ourselves but to members of the forum from other areas. I'm also interested in other areas of Ireland that I've either not been to or do not know well.

In the Ireland section of the forum it is already demonstrated that we Northerners do more than our fair share of promoting this area........see "DISCOVERING IRELAND (what,where,when & how... a guide to the Emerald Isle)" Four of the five posts are from Northerners and three of those specifically promote the North. I for one contribute not only to the Ireland section but to Scotland cos I go there quite often and find it better that Scotland has one Forum for a larger landmass than Ireland and a slightly lower population. I don't think as a visitor I'd fancy trawling through the Southern upland, Central Lowland, and Highland sections of a divided Scottish bit to find the info I wanted. Also look in on the North and Northwest Section periodically Some cracking biking roads :thumb

I think you may have hit upon something when you mentioned amalagmating some of the English areas. I think that this would be a good Idea as the number of smaller areas suggest to me too parochial an interest in those areas to interest me. North, Midlands and South. Would be plenty IMO and Ireland Scotland and Wales

So in conclusion I think having an Ireland Section adds value and interest to this part of the world rather that reducing it. A split North and South Ireland section would leave both areas the poorer for it. :)


Or as I said last night two sections would be a daft Idea :D

Hope thats a reasoned enough argument for you?

Ps apologies to the Welsh possie. I don't visit the Wales section often but I had a Bad experience with a Lass from Tenby in a tent In Towyn in 1981 and there are Just some things you want to forget :D :D
 
Cheers Mzokk, reasoned arguement, without personal abuse. Please do not credit me with any of the good work that went before, I just happened to come on board, somewhere along the line..

Thank-you
 
let's get serious

Baron,
as I understand your postings on this thread, they are, in essense, an expression of self interest. YOU feel that you have regional issues to discuss that would be of no interest to the wider Irish grouping, but could be pearls of wisdom to the Northern GSer. I sense that some of the debate on the Southern costs of tyres, the restricted service available, the cost of insurance is of little, if amusing, interest to you.
YOU suggest that all is not lost, as we can follow YOUR example and flit between postings in diverse forums.
If only some of us had the time.
Let look at our Ireland situation and our self interest and what this forum has given us.
My bike was imported from Germany, my last tyres came from Harry's in Belfast, some of my gear from BM Spares, Hurst's, Module, Hein Gerike, service parts from MotoBins, Hurst's and Maddock.
Why? for me a lack of availability in and around Limerick, ready access to the North - only 4 hours from Limerick to Belfast on a good day, Newry an easy 3 hrs.
For those closer to Dublin, Belfast is 90 mins to 2 hours. The island has started to shrink and at last, there is real competition available to the established local interests.
For us, the North is just up the road and only an invitation away, just note the bike traffic to the NorthWest and the Ulster. In the late '70s, our "thank you" rally in Glendun, on the North West weekend, exploded from the initial 30 invitees from the South and the UK to nearly 300 in the 3 years to its demise, due to too much interest.
The North is not a place in isolation, but just somewhere else to ride and buy, not exclusive and off limit, more accessible than West Cork, Belmullet, Donegal or the maze that is Cavan.
This forum has brought together a dispersed, disparate group who share a common interest and who contribute to the benefit of all, providing information, knowledge, assistance, opportunity and purpose.
If YOU wish to grow else, to put YOUR personal stamp into another forum, then go and enjoy yourself. Those of a like mind will join you and that will be good.
If you feel more comfortable sharing your soul away from us, then be comfortable. Live too short to endure something that irritates you and there is nothing to compel you not to move elsewhere.
Hope you have a good trip and thank you for your contributions here.
 
Accepted Michael, and agree, but I really had nowhere else to post my opinion but here, and I have now drawn and gauged opinion from where it was most appropriate. The tide is against me and I can see that. I am not stupid or blinkered, and am aware that I am becoming an irritant to many. I will therefore refrain from continuing to reply to those who choose to post on this thread. I did have support for my suggestion, thats why I chose to post it. It would appear that once I went over the top, not many followed, but I do reserve the right to defend my opinion, even though I will and am being cut to ribbons.


cheers Paul
 
I don't have strong opinions on the subject so I'll reserve my opinion. Instead a suggestion: I work in a multi-mat. tech. company, where one is in a constant battle against e-mail and information over-load. Given that all of my colleagues are in the same boat, we do not wish to add to this agitation, so we typically use the subject line of e-mails to suitable describe the contents, so recipients or readers can swiftly filter out the noise.

For posts more localised for Norn Iron readers, prefix the subject with NI:. e.g. NI: New bike friendly multi-story car park opened. You can even sort threads alphabetically, which will keep all the NI: threads together.

This way you'll be sure to reach your targetted audience, and everyone else can take 'em or leave 'em. After all, all forums are open, so it's not a privacy thing. In terms of identity, this site is all about bring GS riders (and others) together, not keeping them apart. Oh sugar, I did have an opinion after all. :)

I do like the idea of the Ireland forum, but only for the purpose of filtering out a lot of the info that isn't relevant to me (which I can still visit or search).
 
Fair play to civil

From what i remember it was the civil one that made the request that the ireland forum be an all ireland one .this was primarily to get his friends shuck raider and the shartwz baron out of thier stuck in the mud ways and to get them "out of themselves" and thier backward ways so to speak. the suggestion was accepted without exception ,and to my mind has worked really well with good interaction at times between all of the members. I have on occasion met some of these more disadvantaged members and would never have known any different. fair play to civil
 
The Foolish Fellow said:
this was primarily to get his friends shuck raider and the shartwz baron out of thier stuck in the mud ways and to get them "out of themselves" and thier backward ways so to speak.

WTF you smokin' up there FF? :D :D
 
................but I do reserve the right to defend my opinion, even though I will and am being cut to ribbons.................................

I don't think it's fair to say that you have been cut to ribbons here SB. You started a thought provoking thread here based on how you would like to see this forum develop. You invited responses and left yourself at the mercy of the forum members. As I read it the majority of replies seem to indicate that some serious consideration was given to your proposal and it is a pity that those who agree with you did not choose to voice that here.

I respect your opinion and fully support your right to voice it. The fact that I disagree does not mean that I disrespect you or the contribution that you make to the forum.

As the French say, "vive la differance"
 
As I have only recently joined the site I feel that I am unable to comment on the previous N.Ireland forum or why it changed to its present format. Having read the various threads(some interesting comments)I get the impression that some people may have become personal and I do not think that was the intention of SB when he initiated this discussion. I would be interested in finding out why and when the name changed which would probably assist me in formulating a more in depth response. Open and frank discussion is good and there is merit in points raised by SB and others. As a newbie I don't know any difference. Localised threads relating to N.Ireland would be a good idea -trawling is a pain sometimes. N.I Thread - Search
 


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