oh crap!

[autogs]

this morning i thought i would change my fd oil,so out with the tools and started work.i was lowering the fd down when i straight away saw something not right,shiney metal on the uj.cleaned it all up and found lots of needle rollers in the bottom of the boot and the joint itself was completly shot.

put it all back together had a cuppa and thanked myself for getting the extended wty.

btw only noticed a very slight clunk when driving but put it down to my crap riding.08 gsa 18000 on clock,wty items so far front wheel brgs,rear esa shock,3 rear discs and finally disc and carrier.

 

[vtr1000sp1]

Will it be covered now that you've tried to self-service the FD?

If I were you I'd put it back together as best as possible and call BMW assist - wouldn’t mention the fact that you took it to bits...

Cheers
Phil

 

[autogs]

er i havent tried to self service the fd,ive changed the oil,after 30 years working on cars for a living i dont see a prob.not the first time ive changed the oil on this bike either,if i hadnt noticed the uj prob it could have let go big time busting the shaft housing.i will let you know the outcome

 

[theop]

say nothing to them.... You won't be covered otherwise as they will pick on anything to avoid claims on their sh*te BMW engineering.

18k is where mine went too, although I could hear it at 16k...

 

[vtr1000sp1]

OK, so you worked on cars for the past 30 years... So what? Does that mean you are can ignore the T&C’s of the extended warranty? Servicing must be carried out by a BMW dealer.

You semi dismantled the final drive (I believe a sealed –non-serviceable item that isnt part of a normal service http://www.r1200gs.info/R1200GS-Maintenance-Schedules.pdf) and now expect BMW to cover it under warranty???

'clunk' should have been reported to BMW who would have checked the FD for you.

Er... I know what I would say...

 

[Steptoe]

OK, so you worked on cars for the past 30 years... So what? Does that mean you are can ignore the T&C’s of the extended warranty? Servicing must be carried out by a BMW dealer.

You semi dismantled the final drive (I believe a sealed –non-serviceable item that isnt part of a normal service http://www.r1200gs.info/R1200GS-Maintenance-Schedules.pdf) and now expect BMW to cover it under warranty???

Er... I know what I would say...

Errrr, he hasn't dismantled the final drive. He has swivelled the final drive back which means you can see the shaft U/J, or whats left of it.

You could do/see the same by pulling the rubber boot back and taking a look. He may have saved them money by catching it early rather than just waiting until it failed.

 

[Nice 'n' Fat]

Will it be covered now that you've tried to self-service the FD?

If I were you I'd put it back together as best as possible and call BMW assist - wouldn’t mention the fact that you took it to bits...

Cheers
Phil

Yea and whatever you do don't post it on an internet forum

 

[vtr1000sp1]

To be honest I don’t care what he’s done. In not so many words I simply asked if playing around with a part that you shouldn’t do would invalid the extended warranty. I then suggested that I wouldn’t tell BMW that I had been messing around with it so that questions wouldn’t be asked.

I got a snotty response quoting that he had worked on cars for the past 30 years... well, I have worked in insurance for the past 7 and know that (as has been pointed out by someone else), they will use any excuse for not paying out if they had any though of the T&C’s being breached...

Good luck with the claim. I my opinion you will need it if they find out about you oil change.

 

[autogs]

bought the oil to do the change from them,

steptoe hit the nail on the head,but then i spose preventing furthur damage must be a bad thing.ive got full and stamped bmw history and a good relationship with my dealer,i dont think there will be a prob.

common sense seems to be in short supply sometimes

so by looking after my bike and checking for any faults,and getting them rectified before any more damage can occur is wrong in your opinion?

if you think my reply to you was snotty you dont get around this forum much do you?

 

[theop]

bought the oil to do the change from them,

steptoe hit the nail on the head,but then i spose preventing furthur damage must be a bad thing.ive got full and stamped bmw history and a good relationship with my dealer,i dont think there will be a prob.

common sense seems to be in short supply sometimes

so by looking after my bike and checking for any faults,and getting them rectified before any more damage can occur is wrong in your opinion?

if you think my reply to you was snotty you dont get around this forum much do you?

dude: I repeat, don't say anything, or you won't be covered. Listen the the other dude here. Lawyers are lawyers. For better or worse, you are not meant to do anything on the bike outside riding it. Anything else should be authorised dealer. Or they won't cover. Simple. The new part costs £950 without labour. Good luck.

 

[vtr1000sp1]

Really can’t be arsed to explain this further so this will be my last post on this thread.

Your extended warranty is an insurance product that states your bike must be services and maintained by a BMW dealer. You ‘serviced’ an item that in BMW terms doesn’t need servicing or an oil change. In order to do the oil change you removed parts from the bike and disjointed the final drive from the drive shaft - something a normal BMW owner wouldn’t do if they were told that all servicing and maintenance must be carried out by an authorised BMW dealer... Try telling this to an insurance claims agent and then getting them to payout for a part you touched whilst doing the above...

bought the oil to do the change from them,

You bought the oil from the dealer NOT the insurance company... of course the dealer is going to sell you his expensive oil. For all they know you could be restoring an old BMW.

so by looking after my bike and checking for any faults,and getting them rectified before any more damage can occur is wrong in your opinion?

Looking after you bike in BMW eyes is taking it to them to service, you washing it and keeping an eye on your brake pads so that you can take it to them to pay over the odds for a pad change. Looking after your bike and preventing further damage in BMW eyes is taking it to them when you hear a ‘clunk’ ASAP, not investigating the problem yourself and defiantly not trying to service a non-serviceable item!

common sense seems to be in short supply sometimes

Nope, it’s called taking your money for an insurance policy and you then sticking to the T&C’s. Not much common sense needed there, just the ability to read the small print.

if you think my reply to you was snotty you don’t get around this forum much do you?

I have floated around this forum most days for the past year or so. I didn’t really need to know that you worked on cars for the past 30 years. I keep myself to myself as I don’t really want to get involved in discussions like this - hence the low post count and hence I won’t be contributing to this thread anymore as I think my view on this topic is now clear...

Luck for you that you have a good relationship with your dealer as they usually have the say on the warranty claim. But, as mentioned already, I would air on the side of caution about telling them about your home mechanics on a part that you now expect to be fixed under your insured warranty.

 

[Steptoe]

dude: I repeat, don't say anything, or you won't be covered. Listen the the other dude here. Lawyers are lawyers. For better or worse, you are not meant to do anything on the bike outside riding it. Anything else should be authorised dealer. Or they won't cover. Simple. The new part costs £950 without labour. Good luck.

The shaft is around £350, not £950. You're thinking of the final drive unit.



So are you allowed to check and top up the engine oil if need be ?

If you don't and the engine goes bang do think the insurance warranty will cover you, or would that be neglect . If so the insurance/warranty isn't worth the paper it's written on.

 

[Steptoe]

Really can’t be arsed to explain this further so this will be my last post on this thread.

Your extended warranty is an insurance product that states your bike must be services and maintained by a BMW dealer. You ‘serviced’ an item that in BMW terms doesn’t need servicing or an oil change. In order to do the oil change you removed parts from the bike and disjointed the final drive from the drive shaft - something a normal BMW owner wouldn’t do if they were told that all servicing and maintenance must be carried out by an authorised BMW dealer... Try telling this to an insurance claims agent and then getting them to payout for a part you touched whilst doing the above...



You bought the oil from the dealer NOT the insurance company... of course the dealer is going to sell you his expensive oil. For all they know you could be restoring an old BMW.



Looking after you bike in BMW eyes is taking it to them to service, you washing it and keeping an eye on your brake pads so that you can take it to them to pay over the odds for a pad change. Looking after your bike and preventing further damage in BMW eyes is taking it to them when you hear a ‘clunk’ ASAP, not investigating the problem yourself and defiantly not trying to service a non-serviceable item!



Nope, it’s called taking your money for an insurance policy and you then sticking to the T&C’s. Not much common sense needed there, just the ability to read the small print.



I have floated around this forum most days for the past year or so. I didn’t really need to know that you worked on cars for the past 30 years. I keep myself to myself as I don’t really want to get involved in discussions like this - hence the low post count and hence I won’t be contributing to this thread anymore as I think my view on this topic is now clear...

Luck for you that you have a good relationship with your dealer as they usually have the say on the warranty claim. But, as mentioned already, I would air on the side of caution about telling them about your home mechanics on a part that you now expect to be fixed under your insured warranty.

It's a non servicable part - so it's a non servicable component failure......

 

[DavidJames]

So are you allowed to check and top up the engine oil if need be ?

If you don't and the engine goes bang do think the insurance warranty will cover you, or would that be neglect . If so the insurance/warranty isn't worth the paper it's written on.

Does the owners manual tell you to check the FD oil?........................

 

[autogs]

the final drive oil isnt the issue,the fault lies with a supposed sealed for life drive shaft bearing,

 

[theop]

the final drive oil isnt the issue,the fault lies with a supposed sealed for life drive shaft bearing,

Sealed for life! Exactly what it says on the tin.

What it doesn't say is that "Life" means the shortest of either 18k miles or 3 years.

 

[autogs]

so whilst i play around on a k1300s today and tomorrow my dealer is repairing my bike,parts are 500 quid they tell me but not to worry as all parts and labour covered by my insured warrenty

 

[slimpickings]

Really can’t be arsed to explain this further so this will be my last post on this thread.

Your extended warranty is an insurance product that states your bike must be services and maintained by a BMW dealer. You ‘serviced’ an item that in BMW terms doesn’t need servicing or an oil change. In order to do the oil change you removed parts from the bike and disjointed the final drive from the drive shaft - something a normal BMW owner wouldn’t do if they were told that all servicing and maintenance must be carried out by an authorised BMW dealer... Try telling this to an insurance claims agent and then getting them to payout for a part you touched whilst doing the above...



You bought the oil from the dealer NOT the insurance company... of course the dealer is going to sell you his expensive oil. For all they know you could be restoring an old BMW.



Looking after you bike in BMW eyes is taking it to them to service, you washing it and keeping an eye on your brake pads so that you can take it to them to pay over the odds for a pad change. Looking after your bike and preventing further damage in BMW eyes is taking it to them when you hear a ‘clunk’ ASAP, not investigating the problem yourself and defiantly not trying to service a non-serviceable item!



Nope, it’s called taking your money for an insurance policy and you then sticking to the T&C’s. Not much common sense needed there, just the ability to read the small print.



I have floated around this forum most days for the past year or so. I didn’t really need to know that you worked on cars for the past 30 years. I keep myself to myself as I don’t really want to get involved in discussions like this - hence the low post count and hence I won’t be contributing to this thread anymore as I think my view on this topic is now clear...

Luck for you that you have a good relationship with your dealer as they usually have the say on the warranty claim. But, as mentioned already, I would air on the side of caution about telling them about your home mechanics on a part that you now expect to be fixed under your insured warranty.

I really do wish guys like you would stop getting the arse on
I think your contribution is worth reading and without it this forum would become bland, boring , and a bl,,,y site less entertaining:
Nil desperandum corundum illegitimi..jack

 

[Nice 'n' Fat]

so whilst i play around on a k1300s today and tomorrow my dealer is repairing my bike,parts are 500 quid they tell me but not to worry as all parts and labour covered by my insured warrenty

Good man

 

[vtr1000sp1]

OK, so one more post on this topic.

I’m glad you're getting it sorted and that the warranty is picking up the bill.

So for completeness, the last question to be answered on this thread is…Did you say:

A: ‘Whilst attempting to do an oil change on the rear-axel drive I had the back wheel off, and had the drive shaft dis-jointed from the rear-axel drive. I noticed metal shards and that the drive shaft looked worn, can you fix this under my insured warranty please.’

B: ‘I’ve noticed a ‘clunk’ can you investigate and replace any parts that need replacing under my insured warranty please’