Oil Temperature

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I ride a 2000 model R1150 GS with 95000kms on the clock. The problem that I now have is the oil temperature display does not go above one bar and the gear change selector only partly shows. I have tested the sensor (Oil) and it is working fine so the fault is in the LCD display. The display costs a arm and a leg from BMW even a second hand unit is not much better. Does any one know of a cheaper solution or have any experience on how best to solve this one?

Thanks
 
Hi

I have now fitted a Trailtech Vapour computer. I have removed the speedo and tacho meters and am now relying on the Vapour. The only problem is that I can not get the rev counter to work properly on the Vapor (Erratic).I have tried all their different solutions but with not much success. Has any one fitted one of these before? I would also like to know what temp. the oil should or can safely go up to because on idle only for a extended time the oil temp reaches 150 C.

Thanks
 
Hi

I have now fitted a Trailtech Vapour computer. I have removed the speedo and tacho meters and am now relying on the Vapour. The only problem is that I can not get the rev counter to work properly on the Vapor (Erratic).I have tried all their different solutions but with not much success. Has any one fitted one of these before? I would also like to know what temp. the oil should or can safely go up to because on idle only for a extended time the oil temp reaches 150 C.

Thanks

pics please:thumb2
 
I wouldn't worry about the oil temp too much - plenty of bikes have been sold around the world with no fancy oil temp guage/RID fitted. So long as the oil is the right spec for your local conditions and is at the right level in the machine - It'll be fine.

BTW - it's not advisable to run the bike on idle for any kind of extended period - apart from whats necessary at service time. You will definitely get a much higher temp then due to zero airflow through the oil cooler. (which is why bmw say dont do it)
 
Hi
Has any one fitted one of these before? I would also like to know what temp. the oil should or can safely go up to because on idle only for a extended time the oil temp reaches 150 C.

The oil temp gauges you can get for airheads etc have a maximum of 140 degrees C, and that's in the red :eek:

I've seen it written that SH / SJ oils have to withstand a continuous 150 deg C without loss of viscosity. So if I was seeing 150 deg C I'd be thinking about stopping the bike or getting some cooling airflow over the engine / cooler very quickly.
 
The oil temp gauges you can get for airheads etc have a maximum of 140 degrees C, and that's in the red :eek:

I've seen it written that SH / SJ oils have to withstand a continuous 150 deg C without loss of viscosity. So if I was seeing 150 deg C I'd be thinking about stopping the bike or getting some cooling airflow over the engine / cooler very quickly.

much simpler to NOT run the bike at idle for "a extended time" - don't you think?

Especially I would've thought in South Africa in High Summer.
 
much simpler to NOT run the bike at idle for "a extended time" - don't you think?

Especially I would've thought in South Africa in High Summer.

But he wanted to know the specifics of 150 deg C :blast

I know they don't recommend extended idling, but how many bars on the RID would you stop the engine at? And how hot would the oil = engine be then?
 
But he wanted to know the specifics of 150 deg C :blast

I know they don't recommend extended idling, but how many bars on the RID would you stop the engine at? And how hot would the oil = engine be then?


I don't know.. The max I've seen in the hottest weather has been 6 bars.

But I go back to my earlier point - I dont see this as being anything to worry about. I don't know about the 1150 - but back in the 90s - the RID was an expensive optional extra and many buyers all round the world didn't opt for it. So have no idea whatsoever about the oil temp. just the dash light and the 'sight glass' to go on.

For the sake of this thread the 1100 and 1150 are identical.

If the RID on my bike showed maximum bars for no reason then I would assume it's at fault - rather than the oil. (and the fact my knees aren't merrily carbonising)

I'm sure I've read somewhere that the 11xx are designed to run much hotter than the previous generation bikes - makes sense to me.
 
IIRC on the airhead, when a thermostat is fitted to the oil cooler ones, it starts to open over 100 deg C. So I'd guess the RID is very sensitive ie goes from 100 to 170 ish deg C. On my oilheads I never saw above 7 bars, luckily the road opened out soon after and the temp went back to the "normal" 5 bars :)

Maybe BM thought that with the higher power output engine and leaner running due to the FI, some extra cooling was a necessity, rather than a nice to have like the airheads?
 
I think that the cooling circuit was designed specifically to cool the exhaust valves - rather than the engine as a whole. (that was just an added bonus or side effect)
 
Unplug RID's, volt meters, temp gauges, amp meters, tyre pressure monitors ( for twats only) and you'll find you'll have far less to worry about the bike will work just fine and you'll enjoy riding your bike instead of worrying your life away.
 
Hi

I did actually want to know what the bars on the oil temperature equate to in degrees so that I can program the warning lights on the computer. I have presently set the high warning at 100 C and the danger at 130 C. What is the consensus with the above settings or should I lower them? I have not had a chance to ride the bike since fitting all this today. I will take a picture tomorrow and post it on the Forum.

REgards
 
ten bars - you never want to see it go above 8 (in normal use)

Though I cant see the bike ever getting that hot without some very serious abuse. (or more likely - a fault in the 'gadget')

0 Approx. 033.5° C and below
1 040° C
2 065° C
3 080° C
4 090° C
5 105° C
6 130° C
7 150° C
8 160° C
9 170° C
10 175° C

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Thanks. That is exactly what I was looking for. I think I will set the High mark at 120 C and the Danger at 150 C.
I am leaving shortly on the bike for a part of SA where the ambient temperature can vary between 35 C to 45 C on a normal sunny day. So I want to know what my bike is doing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Double check ...

I have fitted a Racetech oil temperature gauge to my R1150GS, as I have taken off the GS instruments etc. as part of a supermoto-esque (?) conversion. I have R1150R instruments on, but these may get the chop shortly (see below). :eek

After a lot of trial and error, I have fitted the R1150R oil coolers on either side of the engine inside the Touratech tank (much easier than I thought) and I wanted to make sure that they were doing their job - together they have a bigger surface area than the single oil cooler on the R1150GS, but you never know! The needle seems to settle around the 105 degree point (virtually in the centre of the 0 to 150 degree options). On hot summer days in traffic it can move up towards the 130 degree mark but moves back down when I get moving. I suspect the RID is not as sensitive in terms of moving around as quickly. I think 105 degrees is around Bar 5 on the RID, so about right. In the colder weather we have now, the needle generally is around 80 degrees unless I sit in traffic when it nudges 100 degrees. The bike has been like this for a couple of years now and the oil seems fine.

Check that your oil temperature sensor is suited to the gauge you are using. I mucked one up and just bought another at random (:blast ) and it sent the oil gauge off the end - much to my horror. Once I had twigged that the sensor/sender (same thing) needs to be calibrated to the gauge I was ok.

I tried to wire up the Racetech gauge to the BMW oil temperature sender wire, but this seemed to bugger up the Motronic system - the BMW oil temperature sender is on the top right of the front of the engine next to the outlet oil pipe that heads for the oil cooler but the wire from the RID runs down to the left side of the engine where the oil cooler inlet pipe returns to the engine. I think the positioning is co-incidental - this is where the Motronic information gets fed back in. I think the BMW sensor sends two signals: one to the RID and the other to the Motronic system which tweaks the fuel injection according to the engine temperature. Shame, as it would be the simple option. Initially I put a T piece into the oil cooler hose to take the temperature, but it was a bit ugly so I threaded one of the engine blanks at the bottom inside the plastic front engine cover. This does not touch the oil but is regarded as giving a good readout as the engine should be at its hottest here.

In order to get rid off the rather chunky R1150R instruments and raise the headlight a bit, I am thinking of fitting either an Acewell computer system or one from Motogadget in Germany - nice but pricey. I am working through how all the bits can be connected up.

I would welcome any comments or observations from anyone with experience on the above. Now that I have checked the oil temperature, part of me agrees with Steptoe [who knows a lot more than I do, by a long way] that I might just forget about it now that I know that it is broadly OK and stop fretting.

Sorry to be long winded. :rob Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Psyko.
 
Hi All

I am back from the Kalahari desert and I am very happy with the Trailtech computer that I fitted. The average midday ambient temperature was 40 Centigrade. I found that plowing through thick sand at about 20 to 40 km/h my temperature came up to about 145 C.
If anyone wants to fit a Trailtech then give me a shout as it is a bit tricky to get the rev counter to work. The oil temperature sensor is a copper ring ( Different ones available) that goes under a bolt and I have bolted it on the side of the main hot oil pipe going to the oil cooler. Reading may be a bit delayed at first as the metal warms up. If I knew how to post pictures on this site I would supply some.
To me in that heat it was essential to know what the engine temperature was doing, in normal day riding with cooler temperatures (25 to 30C) it stays about 80 C
 
Thanks

Thanks for the update and glad to hear the trip went well. I agree in those temperatures you need to know what is going on. If you have any pictures of the Trailtech and/or the sensor I'd be interested - I haven't come across an oil temperature sensor in the form of a circular ring before. I did get one to go into a threaded hole in a new oil sump plug - but when it was fitted I couldn't get the belly pan back on :blast . I have a growing collection of bits that turn out to be not quite right :augie - must offer them round someday.

Cheers,

Psyko.
 
Hi

Go and have a look at the Trailtech website http://trailtech.net/index.html
You will see all the different applications and types and all the various types of sensors. I have tried to post a picture on this forum but it asks for a URL and I do not know what to do.

Regards

Pat
 


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