Optimate and Gel batteries

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My mate has been told by BMW that an Optimate charger is not suitable for charging/maintaining the original equipment gel battery on his 2003 GS Adv.

Is that true or is it Bo****ks

Will
 
I did some research on battery types and chargers and this is what I turned up:

A gel battery design is typically a modification of the standard lead acid battery. A gelling agent is added to the electrolyte to reduce movement inside the battery case. Many gel batteries also use one way valves in place of open vents, this helps the normal internal gasses to recombine back into water in the battery, reducing gassing. "Gel Cell" batteries are non-spillable even if they are broken. Gel cells must be charged at a lower voltage than flooded or AGM to prevent excess gas from damaging the cells. Fast charging them on a conventional automotive charger may be permanently damage a Gel Battery.

The newer type of sealed nonspillable maintenance free valve regulated battery uses "Absorbed Glass Mats", or AGM separators between the plates. This is a very fine fiber Boron-Silicate glass mat. These type of batteries have all the advantages of gelled, but can take much more abuse. These are also called "starved electrolyte.” Just like the Gel batteries, the AGM Battery will not leak acid if broken
The advantages of AGM batteries are no maintenance, sealed against fumes, hydrogen, leakage, or non-spilling even if they are broken, and can survive most freezes. AGM batteries are "recombinant" – which means the Oxygen and Hydrogen recombine inside the battery. These use gas phase transfer of oxygen to the negative plates to recombine them back into water while charging and prevent the loss of water through electrolysis. The recombining is typically 99+% efficient, so almost no water is lost. Charging voltages for most AGM batteries are the same as for a standard type battery so there is no need for special charging adjustments or problems with incompatible chargers or charge controls. Since the internal resistance is extremely low, there is almost no heating of the battery even under heavy charge and discharge currents. AGM batteries have a very low self-discharge rate (from 1% to 3% per month). So they can sit in storage for much longer periods without charging. The plates in AGM's are tightly packed and rigidly mounted, and will withstand shock and vibration better than any standard battery.
 
Ok or not then?

Thanks Gekko, for that highly detailed response. However, as Timolgra, I'm not sure whether you're saying it's ok or not?

Will
 
I had my battery replaced by a gel one under warranty on my 03 GS last year. The dealer told me to hook up to optimate when bike not being ridden. Hope this helps, Ricky.
 
I've been using an optimate charger on the Gel battery on my harley for the last 6 years, no problems yet, touch wood!
 
Bought an Optimate last Saturday, and according to the literature that came with it, it IS suitable for Gel batteries.
 
charlie batty said:
....well if there's a charging difference how come the bike charges both ok? or does it sense what battery you've got and adjusts to suite?:rolleyes: :D

Charly
You keep popping up with this very good question and I can only guess at the answer and that is that the charge rate from the engine is low enough / slow enough that a GEL battery and a normal Acid battery will both charge . A battery charger however can push more charge through thus causing the GEL battery to charge too quickly leading to the bubbles that will damage the GEL cells.
GEL = slow charge - Too fast = damage
ACID = slow charge - no problem - Too fast = quicker charge

I guess that the optimate can somehow regulate a slow enough trickle charge that it maybe OK for the GEL battery but if you try a less sophisticated charger which maybe charges at say 3amps then you'll knacker your GEL battery for sure.

This is largely an educated guess on my part based on what I have been reading - I don't claim any special expertise so I would recommend you speak to the battery supplier and/or the optimate supplier to be sure.
 
4 bikes in the garage. BMW Lead acid, MZ Lead acid Two Suzuki's Gel. Use the optimate on all of them..........no probs. :)
 
Optimate chargers do bulk charge at 14.5V. Some gel batteries indicate voltages of 14.1V for charging. Doing 2min research on the web suggests that the majority of gel batteries charge at around 14.3-14.5V so I don't think there is a problem.

Optimate website also states that the Optimate is suitable for charging gel batteries.
 
motomartin said:
optimate + gel = yes

I don't quite follow what you mean - could you be a bit clearer :D

Are there different types of optimate ? Everything I have read says GEL needs to be charged at a lower voltage and rate than a normal battery..... [SIZE=0.5]just trying to keep the topic alive [/SIZE] ;)
 
FWIW I have recently bought an Optimate, (three weeks ago) and I am pretty certain it states that it is not suitable for gel batteries. Which leads me to understand that they maufacture two types, which also leads me to believe that the charging requiremnts are different.
may be worth a fone call to the manufacturers

Phil

p.s. i will check the packaging that it came in when i am home
 
All this talk about batteries... Now then, where can i get one of these new fandangled AGM batteries for my GS???:confused:
 
Hawker Oddysey batteries can be bought from Motorworks (www.motorworks.co.uk) and you'll probably want the PC625 @ £86.50 - that's the battery the Saunders husband/wife team used on their record breaking RTW and Trans America ride. The PC680 is I think twice as wide and has even more cranking power, so if it fits that might be a better choice.

I've used the PC 625 on my R100/7 for the past seven years or so with no problems, and I've now fitted it to my R100GS-PD.
 


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