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This made me smile, probably very close to the mark as well
Would they sell one to a chap from Scotland who had no intention of ever bringing it back for service?
Our 1st R1200GS SE arrives
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This made me smile, probably very close to the mark as well
Would they sell one to a chap from Scotland who had no intention of ever bringing it back for service?
WindyChuffer
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Scots, Irish & Welsh + brummies 'n' scousers would be lynched before making it to the front door. 
A selection from http://www.sitcom.co.uk/league_gentlemen/quotes.shtml :
“I have some rather upsetting news...”
Dr Matthew Chinnery.
“Don't go shouting. I've got me gun.”
Farmer Tinsel.
“Don't toads give you warts?”
Benjamin Denton.
“I woke up this morning and my bed's like a butcher's slab.”
Barbara Dixon.
“I couldn't go into Dorothy Perkins once me bust started showin'....”
Barbara Dixon.
“You're my wife now.”
Papa Lazarou.
Oh no, going to have to dig out the DVD and watch it again now...
A selection from http://www.sitcom.co.uk/league_gentlemen/quotes.shtml :
“I have some rather upsetting news...”
Dr Matthew Chinnery.
“Don't go shouting. I've got me gun.”
Farmer Tinsel.
“Don't toads give you warts?”
Benjamin Denton.
“I woke up this morning and my bed's like a butcher's slab.”
Barbara Dixon.
“I couldn't go into Dorothy Perkins once me bust started showin'....”
Barbara Dixon.
“You're my wife now.”
Papa Lazarou.
Oh no, going to have to dig out the DVD and watch it again now...
It's a fact of life with most operations like this, there's a lot of money in servicing - they'll really prefer the guy down the road who'll religiously open his veins every 6000 miles and feed the service department. When I worked for a small HVAC contracting company, the sales side did well to break even every year, the service department kept the company going. When I lived in south Manchester, I once had a car dealer in Liverpool (all of 20 miles away) refuse to sell me a new car (at full list price) for just this reason.
So I can see Bahnstormer's point but I might have phrased my refusal to export differently if it were my business
So I can see Bahnstormer's point but I might have phrased my refusal to export differently if it were my business
Thanks mate. Dave at CW more than happy to supply me
It seems he recognises the potential in export sales as any sensible businessman should. Just waiting for confirmation of delivery date now
Thanks mate. Dave at CW more than happy to supply me
It seems he recognises the potential in export sales as any sensible businessman should. Just waiting for confirmation of delivery date now
Great.
What's the price without VAT ?
Quite tempted myself
WindyChuffer
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take the OTR cost, subtract the tax disc (~£66) & registration fee (~£55) and divide by 1.15.
Around £9,900 give or take a few ££'s.
Bahnstormer
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Hi Mark (Magnum) and all the other contributors
Here a few things to consider from my perspective.
BMW have given me 5 R1200GS SE for the year of which 3 are already sold to either new or repeat customers all of whom are local to me, after these I have one in July production and one in September.
My area of responsibility is Hampshire and because we pride ourselves on building a long term relationship with our customers, locality matters, as the dealership wouldn’t survive on selling bikes alone. As such would prefer to sell these remaining “limited edition” models within my area, to someone I’m likely to see more often, even if they just pop in for a coffee.
Bahnstormer, in its short history, has gained a reputation of fairness and trust with most if not all of our customers, many of whom post comments of satisfaction on this forum.
I sorry if you find that hard to accept but wish you happy and safe riding.
Here a few things to consider from my perspective.
BMW have given me 5 R1200GS SE for the year of which 3 are already sold to either new or repeat customers all of whom are local to me, after these I have one in July production and one in September.
My area of responsibility is Hampshire and because we pride ourselves on building a long term relationship with our customers, locality matters, as the dealership wouldn’t survive on selling bikes alone. As such would prefer to sell these remaining “limited edition” models within my area, to someone I’m likely to see more often, even if they just pop in for a coffee.
Bahnstormer, in its short history, has gained a reputation of fairness and trust with most if not all of our customers, many of whom post comments of satisfaction on this forum.
I sorry if you find that hard to accept but wish you happy and safe riding.
WindyChuffer
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BMW are using classic marketing techniques to try and ration these bikes; trouble is these tactics are a bit transparent and its blindingly obvious that the quota will be increased.
So in other words, fek off if you are not local...and don't touch Tubb's precious things...
So in other words, fek off if you are not local...and don't touch Tubb's precious things...
true dat
Your history may be shorter than you'd like it to be if becoming one of your customers is based purely on geographic location. Markets are not so localised these days and an increasing number of people are prepared to travel to enjoy good dealer relations and customer service.
Your loss mate, not mine. I'll buy the bike from someone who appreciates the business.
BMW have a part to play in this as well. Remember when manufacturers tried to get parallel imports into the UK stopped? This is just the reverse as bikes are cheaper to buy in the UK at the moment and BMW want to control that for the sake of their dealers in europe. I suspect thats partly responsible for restricted supply.
On balance I would do the same as Bahnstormer if it were my decision. I had two demos of 1200GSA organised through them but ended up buying my bike privately secondhand. Although they lost my business in that sense I have used them for servicing my bike recently even though they are not my closest dealer. My decision was based on the way I was treated as a prospect and looking long term when I replace my bike with a new one I will at least give Bahnstormers another go. Sometimes difficult decisions have to be made, but knowing the "wider picture" is an important step in making the right one.
On balance I would do the same as Bahnstormer if it were my decision. I had two demos of 1200GSA organised through them but ended up buying my bike privately secondhand. Although they lost my business in that sense I have used them for servicing my bike recently even though they are not my closest dealer. My decision was based on the way I was treated as a prospect and looking long term when I replace my bike with a new one I will at least give Bahnstormers another go. Sometimes difficult decisions have to be made, but knowing the "wider picture" is an important step in making the right one.
Hi Magnum
Magnum next time you are over if possible pop into Bahnstormers and see what they are all about
i bought my GSA from them just over 2 years ago - i actually live forty miles from them so a round trip clocks up 80 miles everytime
they have done my 600 6k 12k 18k 24k and a few warranty issues faultlessly.
they have made it quite difficult for me to let another dealer take over the services even though there are a couple of much closer dealers.
Truthfull reason for this is they are very very different from other BMW Car / Bike dealers that i have visited - main thing for me is they never hastle you - but are there always if req without the big push
the team are a good laugh - very friendly and when you need that extra help they have pulled out all the stops to resolve problems for me, that a few other dealers wouldnt even entertain
We all have our own ideas about whats right and wrong but i feel your thoughts on this dealer are way off the mark, the reason Paul wants to keep the sale local shouldnt be a starting point to knock this excellent dealer - turn up one day un-announced and write on this thread what you actually found
Magnum next time you are over if possible pop into Bahnstormers and see what they are all about
i bought my GSA from them just over 2 years ago - i actually live forty miles from them so a round trip clocks up 80 miles everytime
they have done my 600 6k 12k 18k 24k and a few warranty issues faultlessly.
they have made it quite difficult for me to let another dealer take over the services even though there are a couple of much closer dealers.
Truthfull reason for this is they are very very different from other BMW Car / Bike dealers that i have visited - main thing for me is they never hastle you - but are there always if req without the big push
the team are a good laugh - very friendly and when you need that extra help they have pulled out all the stops to resolve problems for me, that a few other dealers wouldnt even entertain
We all have our own ideas about whats right and wrong but i feel your thoughts on this dealer are way off the mark, the reason Paul wants to keep the sale local shouldnt be a starting point to knock this excellent dealer - turn up one day un-announced and write on this thread what you actually found
Magnum next time you are over if possible pop into Bahnstormers and see what they are all about
i bought my GSA from them just over 2 years ago - i actually live forty miles from them so a round trip clocks up 80 miles everytime
they have done my 600 6k 12k 18k 24k and a few warranty issues faultlessly.
they have made it quite difficult for me to let another dealer take over the services even though there are a couple of much closer dealers.
Truthfull reason for this is they are very very different from other BMW Car / Bike dealers that i have visited - main thing for me is they never hastle you - but are there always if req without the big push
the team are a good laugh - very friendly and when you need that extra help they have pulled out all the stops to resolve problems for me, that a few other dealers wouldnt even entertain
We all have our own ideas about whats right and wrong but i feel your thoughts on this dealer are way off the mark, the reason Paul wants to keep the sale local shouldnt be a starting point to knock this excellent dealer - turn up one day un-announced and write on this thread what you actually found
Well said that man!
Thats the most honest reply I've ever heard from a dealer, and a good explanation of looking after your loyal customer base AND your workforce.
Why would I do this? They won't even take an order from me
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I agree with the above.
As a BMW bike owner who lives in Hampshire I want my dealer to look after their local customers. If I wanted to change my 1200 in for an SE soon and found there was no supply because my dealer had sold his limited supply abroad, I'd feel they had let me down. I understand Magnum is disappointed, but so would I be if all Bahnstormers' SE's were sold to customers in Switzerland and there were none for me to buy locally.
My experience of Bahnstormers with buying and having my bike serviced, has been of a professional and friendly set of people. In a short time they have built up an excellent reputation on this site and with other local riders I know.
I understand the point about international trade, as I have bought cars, campervans and bikes in Germany for use in UK. However, on balance where a particular model has a rationed supply I would expect the local dealer to prioritise his local customers, who will come back for service and accessories.
my 2p...
I am surprised Magnum is so offended by this - he asked about buying the bike, and the dealer decided they could do better selling elsewhere, so said no. That's business, nothing personal, end of story.
Magnum has no right to buy the bike. He is looking to buy in the UK to get the best deal he can. It is not surprising that Bahnstormer also want to get the best deal they can.
Magnum seems to have taken it personally. but maybe he should think of the personal feelings of the dealers in his own country who would no doubt like to sell him a bike, but he is not buying from there because he can do better elsewhere. I don't hold that against him, I'd do the same. However, I also wouldn't hold this against Bahnstormers - again, I'd do the same.
Nothing personal Magnum - a point of view - enjoy the bike!
Darren
I am surprised Magnum is so offended by this - he asked about buying the bike, and the dealer decided they could do better selling elsewhere, so said no. That's business, nothing personal, end of story.
Magnum has no right to buy the bike. He is looking to buy in the UK to get the best deal he can. It is not surprising that Bahnstormer also want to get the best deal they can.
Magnum seems to have taken it personally. but maybe he should think of the personal feelings of the dealers in his own country who would no doubt like to sell him a bike, but he is not buying from there because he can do better elsewhere. I don't hold that against him, I'd do the same. However, I also wouldn't hold this against Bahnstormers - again, I'd do the same.
Nothing personal Magnum - a point of view - enjoy the bike!
Darren
I think Magnum has over reacted quite a bit. I've bought 14 new BMW's in the past 8 years and fully understand the logic of the dealer. I would act the same way if a dealer and would not be upset if the same happened to me as a customer. Perhaps Magnum leans to much on the 3 BM's he bought in the past year or so. That should get you a bow from your local dealer/no big thing to the rest of the world.
A Dealer will not sell you a bike because you don't live near them. 
I would be pissed. Canadians buy Bikes in the USA and Americans buy bikes in Canada.
I understand the logic, but it does not sit well with me.
Never heard of that happening over here. I bought my GS from a dealer in Vancouver Island. It's a 1 1/2 hour ferry ride alone each way. The bike was only taken back there once.
All my warranty work was done by a Dealer by my house. They treat like like I bought the Bike from them. I though that was what getting a BWM was all about?
I would be pissed. Canadians buy Bikes in the USA and Americans buy bikes in Canada.I understand the logic, but it does not sit well with me.
Never heard of that happening over here. I bought my GS from a dealer in Vancouver Island. It's a 1 1/2 hour ferry ride alone each way. The bike was only taken back there once.
All my warranty work was done by a Dealer by my house. They treat like like I bought the Bike from them. I though that was what getting a BWM was all about?
