Overtaking Speed

[Leasouth]

stupidest thread for ages - well done

That's about right.
Brake dab, speedo error, whatever. It was a really daft question! We have speed limits and if we go over them we are breaking the law.
I belong to another forum where members get all hell thrown at them if they dare mention any excuse for exceeding speed limits, and apparently some believe that you shouldn't drive abroad with out a master degree level and encyclopaedic knowledge of other countries speed limits and driving and highway rules and regs and laws

Just dont ask silly questions, stay safe and keep points count to ZERO and the treasury short of fine cash, how I ride and drive on the highways is my business I suggest we all keep it that way

 

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I belong to another forum where members get all hell thrown at them if they dare mention any excuse for exceeding speed limits, and apparently some believe that you shouldn't drive abroad with out a master degree level and encyclopaedic knowledge of other countries speed limits and driving and highway rules and regs and laws

ooh ooh...please introduce us )

 

[Gossy]

That's about right.
Brake dab, speedo error, whatever. It was a really daft question! We have speed limits and if we go over them we are breaking the law.
I belong to another forum where members get all hell thrown at them if they dare mention any excuse for exceeding speed limits, and apparently some believe that you shouldn't drive abroad with out a master degree level and encyclopaedic knowledge of other countries speed limits and driving and highway rules and regs and laws

Just dont ask silly questions, stay safe and keep points count to ZERO and the treasury short of fine cash, how I ride and drive on the highways is my business I suggest we all keep it that way

Another of motorcycling dilemmas solved, can we move onto going round bends next

 

[david a hall]

Do you really believe that? It seems to me that many UK speed limits are arbitrary and have little to do with safety. Many roads have been downgraded from 60 to 50 with no evidence of a road safety argument. Indeed in the area I used to live many of these changes were opposed by the police. We have moved from a time when speed limits were based on need to one where the "speed kills" lobby impose unrealistic and widely ignored limits based on this twisted logic.

On one hand we are producing a whole generation of road users who think that a safe speed is one that is posted as the limit for that stretch of road. On the other the fact that so many of these limits are seen as unreasonable leads to widespread disregard for such limits. The upshot of this is people not taking notice of limits that are there for a purpose and to others thinking for instance that 30mph is an appropriate speed near a school at chucking out time. Or indeed driving at the speed limit regardless of road conditions because they believe the propaganda.

I am certainly not opposed to speed limits in an appropriate place. We are lucky here in Austria that we don't have many places where the limit makes no sense. Consequently most people obey the limits that are there, they know that there is a real reason.

Speed is the scapegoat for accidents not the major cause. Of course inappropriate speed should be discouraged but by focusing on what is, in fact, only a minor factor in most accidents, we take the emphasis away from the real causes. It is a fact that most accidents are caused simply by people not paying full attention to the road.

My take on the OP's question would be that a many of the drivers he overtakes will be, (a) constantly checking their speedo for fear of straying 2mph over the limit, (b) on their mobiles, (c) fiddling with radios or (d) will have a SatNav mounted on the screen so that parts of the road are obscured. This is the real danger in this situation, getting caught for exceeding the limit wont put you in hospital!

John

Yep I do believe it.

 

[The Grey One]

Yep I do believe it.

And speed kills?

John

 

[Ex-Call Centre Chimp]

Of course, sounds like a plan - Same route I took Tuffty on, if he can manage it on an airhead you big boys on yer modern stuff will have no problems

Andres

Excellent. Something to look forward to, assuming I'm not working.

 

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And speed kills?

not true....I have been quite fast and I am still alive.

 

[stever1]

not true....I have been quite fast and LUCKY and I am still alive.

fixed it for you

 

[Mr K]

Blimey. I never realised how complicated it was.
To overtake another vehicle you have to go faster, so why can't you pass as quickly as you can and then brake to allow yourself to rejoin the traffic stream. That's why motorbikes have an engine and brakes.

 

[Mr K]

fixed it for you

Poop! Any entanglement I have had with other vehicles has been in town at below 30mph.

 

[Pete T]

If you are on a tricky road and considering an overtake manoeuvre consider this... If you pull up for a piss, about 50 cars will pass you by at least...maybe 200. So by extrapolation if you really need to get to your destination a few minutes quicker, you will have to pass dozens of cars.

Face it, the only real reason we overtake other road users by and large is either because a)It's fun or b)You are sticking it to them.

JDCXXX, you ask for people's views on using the bike's performance to get into a safe position more quickly. Well, you should never have put yourself in a dangerous position in the first place.

 

[david a hall]

And speed kills?

John

There are two things about speed, the sudden lack of it kills and the distance covered in the moment of lapse of concentration is greater, basic physics. If you want to scuff your leathers ride slow, if you want to make a Tarmac pizza your gonna need some velocity. The debate about riding skills is a different one, no less important but still a different one.

 

[Mr K]

If you are on a tricky road and considering an overtake manoeuvre consider this... If you pull up for a piss, about 50 cars will pass you by at least...maybe 200. So by extrapolation if you really need to get to your destination a few minutes quicker, you will have to pass dozens of cars.

Face it, the only real reason we overtake other road users by and large is either because a)It's fun or b)You are sticking it to them.

JDCXXX, you ask for people's views on using the bike's performance to get into a safe position more quickly. Well, you should never have put yourself in a dangerous position in the first place.

No. It's because you are travelling faster than them, because you have caught up with them...and you don't want your progress dictated to you by some geriatric in a Micra doing 35mph on an A road.

 

[Delboy777]

Speed in itself does not kill, however "inappropriate" speed certainly can

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[Deletedmemberjdcxxx]

In exactly the same way that theft is an offence even though a police officer isn't present at the time.

It seems to me you are looking to see what the 'big boys' in the playground think about your riding and possibly gain their approval (or not) at the same time.

I can't believe you don't know the answer to your own question, or if you are ever stopped by the police are you looking to say "If you were a Tosser, you would do it" (I am not suggesting you try that by the way).

Do what YOU think is right and then take sleeping tablets at night so you are able to cope with your conscience!

As for the brake light 'dabbing'...........I can't believe many car drivers will thank you for it, despite the cheerful wave!

Big Boys??? Not really my cup of tea! How many posts does it take to get Big Boy status??? LOL

We seem to be struggling with semantics in this post; I was actually making a point about social anthropology. Sorry if I left a few of you behind but there's no need for any rude or personal comments.

Lets give this another go.

1. Of course I know the answer, speeding is illegal and an offence, so is using a mobile phone, eating your breakfast, shaving, putting on make up, shouting at the kids but I see all of them riding to work

2. Despite the description and what seems like a bit of deliberate misunderstanding I don't have any problem overtaking. I do what works for me and sleep fine thank you. I didn't actually ask for a critique but read all of the constructive comments very carefully. Its a shame that some of the Big Boys can't be a bit more supportive and feel the need to rip into anyone placing their head above the parapet. Feel free to give me some advice I'll read every word. I don't intend to get into a "who's got the biggest c*ck" competition. With all the Big Boys out there I expect there are a few whoppers.

3. I obviously overemphasised using the brake light and "snapping the throttle closed." Lets try closing the throttle to control the speed at which I complete an overtake??? How about indicating to following road users that I may be decelerating, (occasionally when required!) What do you use your brake light for???

4. I'm not claiming any particular skills as a motorcycle rider, and I do consider the responses on this site. There are some very experienced riders who offer excellent advice which I always aim to adopt.

Anyway, back to the point.

Bloody hell, I can't remember now!!!

 

[snelly]

I know what your saying, but try rolling the throttle off , it sounds a bit more controlled. As for the brake dab, i usually pass people because i want to go faster than them, which for me means, no brake show.

 

[Beemerman59]

What do you use your brake light for???

I don't use my brake light for anything. It comes on automatically when I brake. I don't brake check the car behind me - if I've just overtaken them they will know I'm there. I don't brake into a gap, I'm usually already slowing down with engine braking before the overtake is fully completed.

 

[Pete T]

No. It's because you are travelling faster than them, because you have caught up with them...and you don't want your progress dictated to you by some geriatric in a Micra doing 35mph on an A road.

Sticking it to the geriatric?

 

[RedRick Esq.]

Ride your bike in the way it suits you, if it works then it works if it doesn't change it. Too many expert saying you should ride this way or that way and if you break a speed limit you will be sent to prison and bum fucked for your sin, or you will crash and die. Look at how so many Moto GP riders have changed their riding style to one more like Marc Marquez ! Be an individual and if that pisses other road users off well that's on your conscience

 

[GSTourer]

Big Boys??? Not really my cup of tea! How many posts does it take to get Big Boy status??? LOL

We seem to be struggling with semantics in this post; I was actually making a point about social anthropology. Sorry if I left a few of you behind but there's no need for any rude or personal comments.

Lets give this another go.

1. Of course I know the answer, speeding is illegal and an offence, so is using a mobile phone, eating your breakfast, shaving, putting on make up, shouting at the kids but I see all of them riding to work

2. Despite the description and what seems like a bit of deliberate misunderstanding I don't have any problem overtaking. I do what works for me and sleep fine thank you. I didn't actually ask for a critique but read all of the constructive comments very carefully. Its a shame that some of the Big Boys can't be a bit more supportive and feel the need to rip into anyone placing their head above the parapet. Feel free to give me some advice I'll read every word. I don't intend to get into a "who's got the biggest c*ck" competition. With all the Big Boys out there I expect there are a few whoppers.

3. I obviously overemphasised using the brake light and "snapping the throttle closed." Lets try closing the throttle to control the speed at which I complete an overtake??? How about indicating to following road users that I may be decelerating, (occasionally when required!) What do you use your brake light for???

4. I'm not claiming any particular skills as a motorcycle rider, and I do consider the responses on this site. There are some very experienced riders who offer excellent advice which I always aim to adopt.

Anyway, back to the point.

Bloody hell, I can't remember now!!!

I don't use my brake light for anything, it comes on automatically (I think,but of course can't be totally certain), when I brake i.e. need to slow down by use of either the front or rear brake, or in my case often both at once (linked brakes).

There should be no need to slow down once you have pulled in front of the vehicle you have just overtaken as you surely would either have accelerated up the road or matched the speed of the vehicles in the line of traffic you are now travelling in by judicious use of the correct gear and throttle control. If you need to brake you have got it wrong (not majorly, disastrously wrong, but it isn't neat and tidy). If you don't need to brake.....why dab the brake. Must annoy the hell out of the driver now directly behind you as he dives for his brake and sends ripples of braking along the traffic behind him.

As to not being able to remember the 'point'.........probably because there isn't one.

While we are at it...........if a tree falls down in the woods and there is no-one there to witness it, does it make a sound?